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# RE: Mill tests - handrail and post criteria

• To: "'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'" <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
• Subject: RE: Mill tests - handrail and post criteria
• From: "Scott, William N." <William.Scott(--nospam--at)veco.com>
• Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:59:22 -0900

```Jason

We ran into this several years ago while performing a Walking-Working
surface survey for an industrial client.

The post were ASTM A53, 1.25" pipe. I was looking at major replacement work.

We designed a full scale test of the post and loaded it to failure. There
was no yielding at 500 pounds. Nor was there significant deflection. We left
all the 1.25" pipe post/handrails inplace and use 1.25" pipe for standard
post and handrails.

Bill Scott, P.E., S.E.
Principal Engineer
949 E. 36th Street
Anchorage, AK  99508
Phone 907-762-1655, FAX 907-762-1734

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Kilgore [mailto:jkilgore(--nospam--at)leok.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:58 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: Re: Mill tests

> This is a question I've have dealt with for years and have resolved using
> the following simple logic.
> If you check the stress level of a cantilevered 1-1/4" std. pipe for a
> railing post using the 200# lateral force at the top using a 42" height,
you
> will overstress the pipe (fb=35.74 ksi).  A 1-1/2" std. pipe fb=25.77 ksi
> which is 73.6% of yield (Fy=35 ksi).  I use 1-1/2" pipe to avoid yielding
> the pipe.

That's what our office normally does, and is what started the whole thread.
The fabricator on a project, however, wanted to use A500 HSS 1.660"x 0.140 .
He provided a mill test certification indicating a yield of 63,000 psi for
the actual pipe to be used (minimum yield is 42,000 psi).

The HSS 1.660"x0.140 will work as far as stress is concerned.

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Jason W. Kilgore
Leigh & O'Kane, L.L.C.
jkilgore(--nospam--at)leok.com
(816) 444-3144

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