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And I wood!

I have written to Jim Todd asking that he consider the possibility of making
an online reference library available to engineers. Adobe Acrobate has
built-in security that prevents documents from being downloaded or saved
from a screen file (although you could screen capture it at great expense
and little productive use).
I too am a bit concerned that we are now forced to increase our libraries
because the code no longer publishes the information that is contained in
the Steel, Concrete, Masonry or Wood documents as it had in the past. This
requires that we purchase not only the code but each of the material
documents with information we need to design these structures. In most cases
the cost of documents is justified, but in many cases (in mine it would be
steel or concrete) there is little need to pay over $100.00 for a manual
that I might use only once or twice. I would be prone to obtain the
information from a peer's reference library - which, would also be
considered an infringement of Copyright .

Maybe it takes enough loud voices to instill Change? A good piece of advice
for the Apathetic.


-----Original Message-----
From: Lutz, James [mailto:JLUTZ(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 1:56 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: RE: Copyright Infringement

I reveal my age, but when I was in college we used to get copies of the
steel design manuals for free! You'd think that the steel industry would
subsidize this information a little more if they want us to "think steel"
for our next design. Stuff like this is one of the reasons I love concrete.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alfonso S Quilala [mailto:aquilala(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 1:39 PM
To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
Subject: RE: Copyright Infringement

This is ridiculous!!!  This is the problem in this world right now.
Everybody is claiming proprietary rights to everything.  The next thing we
know is that the air we breath has already been patented or copyrighted and
we have to pay every time we use it.

Engr. Alfonso S. Quilala Jr., P.E.

-----Original Message-----
From: Structuralist [ mailto:dennis.wish(--nospam--at)
<mailto:dennis.wish(--nospam--at)> ]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 12:29 PM
To: SEAINT Listservice; aec-residential(--nospam--at);
Subject: Copyright Infringement

I recently posted the standard steel shapes database to the
Structuralist.Net discussion forum. One of our members, who works for AISC,
wrote me privately to ask that I remove the database from the forum as he
believes it is an infringement of AISC's copyright.
I do not agree although I have removed AISC's name from the database so that

there is no implication that the physical properties of conventional steel
sections was obtained or "copied" from the AISC manuals. This, to the best
of my knowledge, was not the case as these are the physical properties of
non-proprietary shapes which can be calculated by conventional mathematical
methods and these numbers, in themselves, can not be protected by copyright.

What I have agreed to do is to change the name of the files to Standard or
Conventional Structural Steel Properties and remove any reference to the
American Institute of Steel Construction.
In my opinion, this is a counter productive concern of the AISC as the
purpose is to promote the use of structural steel standards. The use of the
numeric values for mathematical properties of common shapes is not an
infringement of any copyright nor will it harm the sales of the associations


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