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The answer to your question appears to be yes. It was explained to me that
there the software vendor licenses the database and it appears that he (or
she) is provided with a maximum number of distribution that can be done. I
assume that a royalty is paid for each sale (license) of the software. If
any developers are out there who care to stick their necks out on this one,
I'd be particularly happy to hear it.

Bill, one other thing. There were three files that I included. Charlie
indicated that two of the files were exports directly from the AISC CD-Rom
intended for insertion into an Excel file (or other compatible spreadsheet).
He indicated, an probably correctly, that since the files were direct copies
of the AITC export program they are in violation. If this is true (I don't
know where the files originated), he would have a point.

I think the bigger issue here is the that I posted in response to Lynn
Howard which you (and others) may not have read yet. Charlie hit on the
issue and it is hard to argue without harming ourselves.

As a professional community, we endeavor to protect our intellectual
property rights. Until the issue is resolved to the Listservices
satisfaction, then it is probably safest to assume their rights are
protected and to support them in maintaining their right. In the end this
serves each of us by making the point as clear as possible - when in doubt
assume the information is protected. Although this is a good discussion, had
I made the assumption in the beginning, we may not be considering the issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Polhemus [mailto:bpolhem(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 8:10 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Re: Copyright Infringement

I agree. We need someone who is an expert on copyright law, though.

I am inclined to think that AISC does not have a case here (though I respect
Dennis' action in removing the database to be on the safe side).

With ALL DUE RESPECT to our friends at AISC, the law is the law. IF they do
a copyright on this information, which appears to be very much in doubt,
then we
should respect it.

But if not, they need to understand this and get off their high horse.

Oh, and BTW:

Every structural steel design program I've ever used incorporates steel
properties within the program. I use one in particular, when I tell it what
I want, *bam*, up pops the correct properties right out of the manual.

I pay a lot of money for this program.

Did they get permission from AISC to incorporate that data? Did they pay a
royalty of some sort?

This is a very sticky topic. I want some answers.

Roger Turk wrote:
> Dennis,
> After reading your post, I went to the Library of Congress web site
> ( and found the following on "What
> not Copyrightable:"