To: "'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'" <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
Subject: RE: Copyright Infringement
From: Scott Maxwell <smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu>
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:53:38 -0500 (EST)
I do agree with you. Since the information came from a direct electronic
copy from the database that AISC sells, I would at a minimum personally
believe that it would be a "moral" infringement of AISC's rights if not an
actual copyright violation.
If we were to "wax theoretical" though...if the files had been created by
Dennis painstakingly entering in the values for each member by hand, then
I would think that if AISC maintained the same position that it would be
much harder to defend (although it still could be a copyright violation,
even though I don't believe so).
If defense of AISC, I will point out that AISC _DOES_ provide documents
for no cost. An excellent example is the AISC Seismic Provisions. That
document is available in PDF form as are the several supplements to the
original document. I am sure that there are many other documents
available from the web page that are free.
In addition, AISC is indirectly providing us with an excellent free
resource...your participation on the list. While I am sure that your
responses must be construed as your own personal opinion, and not the
"official" position of AISC, the responses are none the less a valuable
addition to the listserver.
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Charlie Carter wrote:
> Friends, Romans, countrymen, can't we all just get along? This thread
> continues to be blown way out of proportion. Assuming you'll permit me to
> explain some of the details that never seem to have made it into the general
> consciousness, here goes.
> Dennis posted files that were created, copyrighted and sold by AISC for free
> download. I emailed him in a friendly and private manner so as not to make a
> mountain out of a molehill. At that time, I assumed he didn't know what he
> had done -- and in fact he didn't. At first, he disagreed with me, but
> subsequently agreed after my colleage Jim Todd took the time to show him
> exactly where those files he found somewhere else came from in the first
> place. And he removed the files.
> Unfortunately, Dennis then "went public" on an issue that had already been
> resolved privately and without disagreement. A fair amount of the back and
> forth since seems to be very angry or insulting and without any
> understanding of the real story. My feeble attempt at a partially humorous
> and partially serious reply to a few of the more accusatory (and unfounded,
> I think) charges followed. And I guess it only succeeded in pushing us even
> further off course. I think it's time to bring this whole thing to an end.
> Heck, we're all acting like we have degrees in intellectual property law!
> I hope you all look upon AISC as helping you in the course of your work,
> including through my personal participation in this list server. For my
> part, I'm going to keep a smile on my face and delete away as any more
> messages post. Well, unless someone says something that's really good
> Respectfully (again),