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I don't put anyone down who wants to be in management...
Just the ones that want to come in, take what I've built and make it their

If that's the case...then they can do what I did...
Have a little guts and start their own firm!

With some hard work by all involved, we've grown to 20 employees in 2 1/2

By the way...."management" is the part of the job i hate...
I'd rather design; but someone has to run the place.

On the subject of economics, A german structural engineer working in berlin
and munich is not exactly
wallowing in poverty!

Finally, after all the training and money I have invested in my H1-B visa
engineer from
Germany, I sincerely HOPE he wants to obtain his green card and become a
permant employee!!


David L. Fisher, SE,PE
Senior Principal
Fisher+Horos Structural Engineers
372 West Ontario
Chicago, Illinois 60610

312.573.1726 fax

-----Original Message-----
From: Structuralist [mailto:dennis.wish(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 4:36 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: RE: Wage Busting

You are acting within the intent of the law from what it sounds. However,
you make a statement about the "so-called 'over qualified/senior' workers'
and I believe that this is a little over the top. I would expect that any
senior professional aspires to be in management as this is the American
dream. You seem to put this down as having an ulterior motive to take over
your business.
You are in control of who you hire, but I doubt if you ever graduated
college with the intention of never owning or being a partner in your own
firm - so why put down others who have the aspirations?

I believe you are wrong to assume that any professional willing to come into
the United States is here without some hope in their hearts that this be a
permanent stay and with a desire to seek the same opportunities for success
as you have attained. They may not say this, but the article published in
the "times of India Online"
confirms that there is a desire to use the H-1B temporary Visa as a stepping
stone to a Green card or permanent residency.
Please read this article and then tell me if you truly believe that these
professionals are happy just to come here, devote six years of their lives
to working in this country and then happy to leave and return back to their
Considering the suffering in poverty that exists in most of the impoverish
nations we seek labor from, it is not reasonable to think that they "carry
less baggage" only less than they are willing to let you know about.

Dennis S. Wish, PE

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Fisher [mailto:dfisher(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 6:29 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject: RE: Wage Busting
> We've found that the so-called "over qualified/senior" workers aren't
> interested in designing buildings.
> They want to "manage projects"; own a piece of my firm; get paid a lot of
> money and tell me how to run my business.
> American "mid-level" people aren't available....we've posted well paying
> project engineer level job opportunities
> on both the internet and in the Chicago Tribune; so we've made the jobs
> available to US engineers...the best qualified resumes we've
> gotten have been from overseas.
> In accordance with the INS H1-B visa provisions, we pay
> competitive salaries
> (frankly, much more than market rate here in Chicago)
> to those we bring in from overseas. They work very hard and have
> a hell of a
> lot less baggage.
> David L. Fisher, SE,PE
> Senior Principal
> Fisher+Horos Structural Engineers
> 372 West Ontario
> Chicago, Illinois 60610
> 312.573.1701
> 312.573.1726 fax
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Hill [mailto:thill(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 8:52 AM
> To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
> Subject: RE: Wage Busting
> <<
> Before we look off shore for foreign engineers industry should,
> at the very
> least, expand their selection of personnel to the pool of "Over Qualified"
> and senior more experienced American Engineers and High Tech workers
> cultured
> by years of experience.
> >>
> So where are these people located?
> We have run employment ads for the past couple of months and have received
> very few (if any) responses.
> Because of this we are now starting to look abroad.
> I've also talked to few other people in our industry and this seems to be
> the trend.
> I might be naive, but I don't think it is so much "wage busting" as it is
> too few workers.