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Thomas,
Thank you! It's a topic worth investigating and you need to seek out the
facts which are all accessible over the internet.
Regards
Dennis

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tommy Glover [mailto:teg3(--nospam--at)tga-jobs.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 1:56 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: Wage Busting
>
>
> Mr. Wish,
>
> Speaking from a Professional Recruiter's vantage point who works primarily
> in the IT and Engineering arenas, you have a very commanding and admirable
> knowledge of the H1B system.  Kudos to your understanding and eloquent
> attempts at educating Mr. Fisher at Fisher+Horos Structural Engineers.
>
> Thomas E. Glover, III
> TGA, Inc.
> 864-473-1200
> teg3(--nospam--at)tga-jobs.com
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	Structuralist [mailto:dennis.wish(--nospam--at)gte.net]
> Sent:	Friday, March 23, 2001 4:12 PM
> To:	seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject:	RE: Wage Busting
>
> David,
> First off, I think you are mixing comments from multiple people
> and accusing
> one of use (or maybe all of us) as being bitter. Speaking for
> myself (Dennis
> Wish, PE) you never provided more information about your firm other than
> your personal dissatisfaction for hiring qualified professionals who might
> want to "take over your business". Considering the original picture you
> presented to the List, our comments were accurate. In fact, our
> comments are
> still accurate if you feel as you had prior to this sudden rush
> to present a
> more complete picture of your practice.
> You also contradict yourself:
> On 3/22 you stated:
> "We've found that the so-called "over qualified/senior" workers aren't
> interested in designing buildings.
>
> They want to "manage projects"; own a piece of my firm; get paid a lot of
> money and tell me how to run my business."
>
> On 3/23 you stated:
> "I don't put anyone down who wants to be in management... Just
> the ones that
> want to come in, take what I've built and make it their own.
>
> If that's the case...then they can do what I did... Have a little guts and
> start their own firm!"
>
> Then later today (3/23) you add:
>
> "My partner and I have made firm ownership available to our associates,
> (from the US, by the way...)"
>
> Sounds pretty contradictory to me! BTW, I don't know of any professionals
> who will apply for work with a firm, walk in the door and want to
> take over.
> If they exist, I would venture to say they are the exception to the rule.
> Most expect to spend a good deal of their engineering career proving their
> abilities to their employer in order to seek advancement through
> the ranks.
>
> On the issue of H-1B;
> On 3/23 you stated:
> "Finally, after all the training and money I have invested in my H1-B visa
> engineer from Germany, I sincerely HOPE he wants to obtain his green card
> and become a
> permant employee!!"
>
> As I clearly stated in my last message that you seem to feel is
> so "bitter",
> helping an H-1B Visa Engineer obtain a green card is not the
> purpose of the
> program and this is one of the strongest arguments against H-1B. I really
> think you need to read the document - something you should have
> done before
> filing a Labor Condition Application for your H-1B hire.
>
> One more question. You seem not to be clear on the H-1B
> provisions. Have you
> filed a LCA (Labor Condition Application) for your German Employee? The
> search database contains over 615,000 LCA's and is fairly
> complete, however
> when searching under your company name, there were no hits - no matches.
> Firms must file for an LCA and gain approval before a Temporary Visa is
> issued. These records can be searched by you or anyone at the following
> website:
> http://www.zazona.com/ShameH1B/VisaDBQuery.asp
>
> However, as I've noted, your company does not seem to have an LCA on file.
> Did you hire and file an LCA or did you obtain your employee
> through an H-1B
> "Bodyshop". For those interested:
> "The largest users of H-1B visas are bodyshops. An H-1B bodyshop is a
> company that specializes in providing H-1B workers to other companies. The
> H-1B worker is officially remains an employee of the bodyshop,
> but works at
> a company site and takes direction from the company's management, and acts
> like an employee in every way except that the worker gets paid through the
> bodyshop.
>
> Most large H-1B bodyshops are either foreign companies or
> companies owned by
> immigrants.
>
> To quote [former]Secretary Reich:
>
> "First, it has become increasingly evident that the H-1B program is being
> utilized by some as the basis for building businesses which are
> dependent on
> the labors of foreign workers, in some cases in unfair
> competition with U.S.
> workers and those U.S. businesses that employ mostly domestic workers.""
>
> H-1B FAQ Website at: http://www.programmersguild.org/Guild/H1BFAQ.htm
>
> Makes me wonder whose being up front here?
>
> Dennis S. Wish, PE
>
>
>
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Fisher [mailto:dfisher(--nospam--at)fplushse.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 8:59 AM
> > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > Subject: RE: Wage Busting
> >
> > Rest assured that I have removed my return receipt function
> from my email.
> >
> > I'm not sure where any of these comments you make are coming from.
> >
> > Of 20 staff, only one is an H1-B visa worker...so much for the disdain
> > of american workers....
> >
> > We have active recruiting on many college campuses...
> >
> > My partner and I have made firm ownership available to our associates,
> > (from the US, by the way...)
> >
> > As a side note, a friend of mine (36) who has a small architectural firm
> > recently "paid up"
> > to hire a "qualified senior level professional"....
> >
> > Its been nothing short of a disaster...the guy has gotten into numerous
> > arguments with clients,
> > contractors and my friend....(telling him how to better run his already
> > sucessful business....*laugh*)
> >
> > The investment I speak of applies to anyone I hire...it is my
> > hope that all
> > my staff that I train remain and make productive stay with me
> to grow and
> > mature in their careers...no one has left so far....!!
> >
> > (must be a sh**ty place to work!)
> >
> > My hiring of a German engineer was the result of many factors...lack of
> > local availability
> > of qualified structrual engineers, his experince on similar projects in
> > europe, and
> > his ability to communicate with our clients in Germany and Austria.
> >
> > Why would I recruit him, pay him well and put him in a position of
> > leadership to send him back to Germany?
> >
> > It appears you are quite bitter...I'm sorry you feel the need
> to criticise
> > me on such a personal level when
> > you don't even know me.
> >
> > Greedy,
> >
> > thats a laugh!!!!
> >
> >
> > David L. Fisher, SE,PE
> > Senior Principal
> > Fisher+Horos Structural Engineers
> > 372 West Ontario
> > Chicago, Illinois 60610
> > USA
> >
> > 312.573.1701
> > 312.573.1726 fax
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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