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What are "RC" channels?   Also, our Mech Engr trys to avoid rated ceilings
because of his numerous penetrations.  (Thus, always raise this issue
'early' so that it doesn't haunt you.)

-----Original Message-----
From: David Fisher [mailto:dfisher(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:52 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: RE: Cost Analysis

We just went through this same exercise for a job in Chicago.

All other architectural issues being equal, The composite beam system is
less expensive.

With regard to fireproofing, can't you use a rated ceiling system with RC
channels and gyp.
board so you don't have to wrap the joists?

Also, by all means, select composite deck that doesn't require shoring...

Good Luck,

David L. Fisher, SE,PE
Senior Principal
Fisher+Horos Structural Engineers
372 West Ontario
Chicago, Illinois 60610

312.573.1726 fax

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Kilgore [mailto:jkilgore(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:35 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Cost Analysis

We currently have a disagreement in our office about relative pricing of
different floor construction methods for office-building type usage (fire-
proofed or not).  Most of our work is in the Kansas City area, where unions
rule supreme and labor costs are high.

Both of the owners of my company are adamant about one of the methods,
several of the younger engineers disagree (but are out-ranked, so the
method is used).

If the disagreement continues, I'm going to do a mock building design using
the two methods and have a few construction companies price it.

Here are the two sides of the issue (very generalized).  Any comments?

One side:
Use WF girders, steel bar joists at 2'0" - 2'6" o.c., with light-gage form
deck (0.6C28).
Advantages:  Easier installation, lighter & easier-to-handle pieces, cheaper
deck, no shoring.
Disadvantages:  Short spans require heavier joists for fire-rating, fire-
proofing more labor-intensive (requires wrapping each joist in mesh),
more pieces to install and fire-proof

Other side:
Use WF girders, WF beams at 6'0"-8'0" o.c., heavier composite decking.
Advantages: Far fewer pieces, WF beams usually meet min. sizes for fire-
ratings, easier and faster to fire-proof.
Disadvantages: Pieces are larger, installation more difficult, deck far more
expensive, sometimes requires shoring for casting.

Jason W. Kilgore, P.E.
Leigh & O'Kane, L.L.C.
(816) 444-3144