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From: Sid Danandeh [sdanandeh(--nospam--at)cityofpalmdale.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:23 AM
To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'
Subject: FW: PE Vs certified civil engineer [plan checker license
require ent]




-----Original Message-----
From: Sid Danandeh 
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:50 AM
To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'
Subject: RE: PE Vs certified civil engineer [plan checker license
require ent]


Hi haan


It is true that some cities can not or chose not to afford to hire engineers
to review seismic calculations. 

Some cities pay $6000 a month to a non licensed plan checkers that has been
there for 30 years but they will not hire a plan check engineer with license
for $5500 a month the excuse is that there is no budget but if they look
closely they can find the budget in the interest  of life safety.

If the building dept. chose to educate their city council regarding the
seismic hazards the council will surely allocate the budget for an engineer
plan check staff. Often times the pay difference  for non licensed plan
checkers v the licensed one will not make a small dent in a cities general
fund!
 

So lets assume as you said that the cities can not guard the public safety
by hiring engineers and decided to hire the unlicensed individuals as plan
checkers.

 My problem is then with the use of the tile engineer! after these
unlicensed individuals names? Their city business card that is passed to the
public will say "plan check engineer" i.e. their official title? So the
general public assume they are engineers that work for the cities?

This tile of plan check engineer or senior plan check engineer is granted to
the unlicensed individuals  upon hiring by these city's human resources
depts.

They grant the title of Plan Check engineer or senior plan check engineer to
these individuals that typically are high school graduates with certain code
certificates.

They could easily assign the title of  Plan checker or senior plan checker
hence eliminating the title of engineer. But they knowingly chose to call
these individuals plan check engineers.?

I personally think if some one is checking seismic designs in high seismic
zones they  must be an engineer and know what Rho is what Em is etc.

Secondly if cities chose not to pay for the engineer as plan checker then
they should not give the title of plan check engineer to the unlicensed
individuals. As you said he or she is only checking code compliance so there
is no engineering involved and no engineering opinion passed or rendered  so
why call them Plan check engineers?.

They should call them Plan checkers or senior plan checkers but not plan
check engineers.

An engineer is like a doctor or a lawyer it is a title that some one with
high school diploma and a code certificate should not be able to use. Most
of the plan checkers that are not engineers are typically  high school
graduates with certain building code certificates.

Can some one with a high school diploma and a 6 months medical certificate
use tile of doctor after their name on their business cards that was given
to them by an HMO ? I do not think so!



-----Original Message-----
From: Haan, Scott M. [mailto:HaanSM(--nospam--at)ci.anchorage.ak.us]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 6:06 PM
To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'
Subject: RE: PE Vs certified civil engineer [plan checker license
requirem ent]