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I think you have summed up the basic scenario as succinctly as possible.  We
have "ownership of engineering" clauses, "authorized reuse" clauses, ad
nausea in our contracts, but all is for not if we don't know what is being
done with our plans.

Paul Feather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Turk" <73527.1356(--nospam--at)>
To: <seaint(--nospam--at)>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:09 PM
Subject: pre-engineered plan

> D. A. wrote:
> . > Hi
> . > I have a client brought me a job already engineered (plans and
> . > and details ) by anther engineer under 1994 ubc code
> . > he asked me to do the calculation again using the  same plans
> . > and the details using 97 ubc
> . > I want to know if I can use the same plan because I do not think
> . > I can change any of the beams and the layout of the floor joists
> . > the only thing that he wants to change roof trusses to roof joists
> . > the foundation is post tension which is existing
> . > the other thing I can change the details
> . > I like to other engineers opinion
> . > Thanks in advance
> . >  DA
> Is copyright not a topic that generates a lot of discussion on this list?
> Isn't unauthorized reuse of plans another topic that generates a lot of
> discussion?
> Where are the comments on this post addressing these two topics?
> The first thing that I would do would be to contact the original engineer
> find out if he/she has been "satisfied," i.e., paid, for his/her work.
> The second thing I would do would be to ask the original engineer if
> has authorized his/her plans to be modified in certain areas.
> If the answer to either of these questions is, "No," the third thing I
> do would be to tell the potential client to "take a hike!"
> Something is amiss here!  Would it not be easier for the original engineer
> modify his/her plans than have some other engineer do it?  Doesn't the
> original engineer have the calculations, knows the load path, etc?  I have
> known developers who have hired a prime professional to produce plans and
> specifications for a development, and then cut the plans up and parcel out
> parts of the project to other professionals to change.
> When the potential client opens his/her mouth, do you smell bull s***?
> A. Roger Turk, P.E.(Structural)
> Tucson, Arizona