To: "'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'" <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
Subject: RE: pre-engineered plan
From: "Haan, Scott M." <HaanSM(--nospam--at)ci.anchorage.ak.us>
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:05:54 -0800
Plagurism is the sincerest form of flattery.
Scott M Haan P.E.
Plan Review Engineer
Building Safety Division http://www.muni.org/building,
Development Services Department,
Municipality of Anchorage
phone: 907-343-8183 fax: 907-249-7399
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Feather [SMTP:pfeather(--nospam--at)san.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:45 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: Re: pre-engineered plan
> I think you have summed up the basic scenario as succinctly as possible.
> have "ownership of engineering" clauses, "authorized reuse" clauses, ad
> nausea in our contracts, but all is for not if we don't know what is being
> done with our plans.
> Paul Feather
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Turk" <73527.1356(--nospam--at)compuserve.com>
> To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:09 PM
> Subject: pre-engineered plan
> > D. A. wrote:
> > . > Hi
> > . > I have a client brought me a job already engineered (plans and
> > . > and details ) by anther engineer under 1994 ubc code
> > . > he asked me to do the calculation again using the same plans
> > . > and the details using 97 ubc
> > . > I want to know if I can use the same plan because I do not think
> > . > I can change any of the beams and the layout of the floor joists
> > . > the only thing that he wants to change roof trusses to roof joists
> > . > the foundation is post tension which is existing
> > . > the other thing I can change the details
> > . > I like to other engineers opinion
> > . > Thanks in advance
> > . > DA
> > Is copyright not a topic that generates a lot of discussion on this
> > Isn't unauthorized reuse of plans another topic that generates a lot of
> > discussion?
> > Where are the comments on this post addressing these two topics?
> > The first thing that I would do would be to contact the original
> > find out if he/she has been "satisfied," i.e., paid, for his/her work.
> > The second thing I would do would be to ask the original engineer if
> > has authorized his/her plans to be modified in certain areas.
> > If the answer to either of these questions is, "No," the third thing I
> > do would be to tell the potential client to "take a hike!"
> > Something is amiss here! Would it not be easier for the original
> > modify his/her plans than have some other engineer do it? Doesn't the
> > original engineer have the calculations, knows the load path, etc? I
> > known developers who have hired a prime professional to produce plans
> > specifications for a development, and then cut the plans up and parcel
> > parts of the project to other professionals to change.
> > When the potential client opens his/her mouth, do you smell bull s***?
> > A. Roger Turk, P.E.(Structural)
> > Tucson, Arizona