From: Scott Maxwell <smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:29:09 -0400 (EDT)
One slight correction to your list...ACI and ASCE are not trade
organizations. ASCE is a professional organization that could be compared
with a trade organization because the primary role is to promote civil
engineering (at least that is my take on it). They also happen to produce
technical documents (actually a fairly major item). ACI is strictly a
technical institute. PCA is the primary trade organization for concrete
along with CRSI.
There are some subtle differences.
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Forrest Braun wrote:
> You're kind of mixing things here a little. There is a difference
> between a trade organization AISC, ASCE, ASTM, APA, AITC, ACI, SDI, SJI
> ad nausium (sp?), and manufacturers, Trusjoist McMillan, Vulcraft,
> Verco, Simpson that latin word above. The manufacturer's will give
> their literature away so that we will specifiy thier product and they
> make thier money that way. The associations only make money by selling
> thier information. SDI and SJI manuals are not free. Some support to
> underwrite the costs of publication may come from the associated
> manufacturers but not all. AISC, for example, used to receive
> considerable support from the steel mills but due to the global economy
> and the large amount of foreign steel that support is greatly
> diminished. Therefore, we the users of the end product need to pick up
> the costs formerly covered by industry.
> Of course, now that the IBC has included the various materials by
> reference and then modified various sections to suit thier own ideas of
> what is best, we the designers and plan reviewers must expend more funds
> to buy the IBC plus all of the referenced manuals. Then we have to
> spend the extra time to annotate the manuals.
> Maybe Chicago have the right idea - pick a code and stay with it - kind
> of the Alaskan way - We don't care how they do it out side.
> "Haan, Scott M." wrote:
> > I think it goes beyond who created the database. If I wanted people to use
> > the material I was promoting I would help them design it easily. It is like
> > I mentioned a couple e-mails back, bar joist load tables are free, steel
> > deck load tables are free, steel stud and joist load tables - design
> > properties are free, wood I-joist design guides are free, and everybody
> > knows how to calculate wood section properties and reinforcement areas.
> > I am perfectly willing to buy a finite element modeling program that does
> > code checking with the cost of the database hidden in the price. It just
> > seems that it would be useful in promoting steel design if the section
> > properties were free. Like the other dude said anyone who wants to spend a
> > day can type them in, but there will probably be a couple dozen errors. I
> > have more time than money.
> > If I get gouged an extra $200 when I pay my RISA maintenance agreement this
> > fall I now know where to complain to.
> > Respectfully,
> > Scott M Haan P.E.
> > Plan Review Engineer
> > Building Safety Division http://www.muni.org/building
> > Development Services Department
> > Municipality of Anchorage
> > phone:907-343-8183 fax:907-249-7399
> > mailto:haansm(--nospam--at)ci.anchorage.ak.us
> Forrest T. Braun, P.E.
> BBFM Engineers, Inc.
> Ph (907)274-2236
> Fx (907)274-2520
> Anchorage, Alaska
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