To: "'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'" <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
Subject: RE: AISC Latest Move
From: Scott Maxwell <smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:37:34 -0400 (EDT)
Definition of "profit" (at least according to dictionary.com):
"The return received on a business undertaking after all operating
expenses have been met."
To my knowledge AISC, ACI, ASCE, and many of the other organizations that
you listed are non-profit organizations. This means that their revenues
from all sources (member dues, publications, seminars, certification
programs, etc) essentially balance their expenense (staff salaries, rent,
utilities, printing costs, etc). I say essentially because I believe that
non-profit organizations CAN set asside reserve funds for potential "down"
years, but this is restricted by law. The reserve fund is still NOT a
Thus, you might wise to exercise a little caution in your wording. The
implication from your message is that AISC is actually making a profit,
when they are not (at least to my knowledge).
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Scott, William N. wrote:
> I thank AISC for getting advisories of changed design information out in a
> timely manner. I was unaware that the rolling mills had modified the k
> From time-to-time mills need to make changes to provide a better product and
> compete. The design community has no other way of knowing when changes are
> made, unless AISC releases information.
> Years ago, the mills would provide the information (including
> manuals)directly to the design community. This practice stopped when
> Competition from off-shore producers became intense and domestic mills cut
> cost to compete. AISC allows all the mills to share the design information
> I do not know the cost of producing the AISC Manual and do not have any idea
> what AISC's profit is. But, the cost seems reasonable considering the
> content. It seems that each professional organization (ACI, AISC, ASCE, AWS,
> CRSI, ICC, ICBO, BOCA, PCA, and others) make a profit from the sale of
> publications. Code wise, it was not a big problem when the material codes
> were published in the Building Code. Now structural engineers must fund a
> continuing annual expense to keep our design publications up to date.
> I think some engineers are finally getting angry. Lets hope that the anger
> will not be demonstrated by pugnacious and demeaning behavior.
> Bill Scott, P.E., S.E.
> Principal Engineer
> VECO Alaska, Inc.
> 949 E. 36th Street
> Anchorage, AK 99508
> Phone 907-762-1655, FAX 907-762-1734
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie Carter [mailto:carter(--nospam--at)aiscmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:50 AM
> To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'
> Subject: RE: AISC Latest Move
> >they change
> >the "k" dimensions so we, plus every detailer in the country, have to buy
> >new books...
> Entirely false.
> We became aware that mills had changed their rolling practices and that
> engineers, fabricators, detailers and others were being affected by the
> fit-up (or lack thereof) for details with sensitivity to the sizes of the
> fillets. We initially attempted to reverse this change in mill practices.
> When that avenue was not possible, we did the advisory so you would;t get
> caught with your pants down on a misfit.
> Besides, even if I wanted to sell you a book with the new T, k and k1
> dimensions right now I couldn't. Now if we had held the advisory until a new
> publication were available, I could see why you'd suspect what you said, but
> really. Come on!
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