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That is what I assumed that you meant, but the lawyer/word
smith/symantics-type in me just could not help "tweaking" you.  <grin>

Scott


On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Scott, William N. wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> Let me clarify. Profit as used means (to me) the net proceed on a manual
> above the expense (including losses) to produce the manual.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Maxwell [mailto:smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu]
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 3:38 PM
> To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'
> Subject: RE: AISC Latest Move
> 
> 
> Bill:
> 
> Definition of "profit" (at least according to dictionary.com):
> 
> "The return received on a business undertaking after all operating
> expenses have been met."
> 
> To my knowledge AISC, ACI, ASCE, and many of the other organizations that
> you listed are non-profit organizations.  This means that their revenues
> from all sources (member dues, publications, seminars, certification
> programs, etc) essentially balance their expenense (staff salaries, rent,
> utilities, printing costs, etc).  I say essentially because I believe that
> non-profit organizations CAN set asside reserve funds for potential "down"
> years, but this is restricted by law.  The reserve fund is still NOT a
> profit.
> 
> Thus, you might wise to exercise a little caution in your wording.  The
> implication from your message is that AISC is actually making a profit,
> when they are not (at least to my knowledge).
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Scott, William N. wrote:
> 
> > Charlie,
> >  
> > I thank AISC for getting advisories of changed design information out in a
> > timely manner. I was unaware that the rolling mills had modified the k
> > dimensions.
> >  
> > From time-to-time mills need to make changes to provide a better product
> and
> > compete. The design community has no other way of knowing when changes are
> > made, unless AISC releases information.
> >  
> > Years ago, the mills would provide the information (including
> > manuals)directly to the design community. This practice stopped when
> > Competition from off-shore producers became intense and domestic mills cut
> > cost to compete. AISC allows all the mills to share the design information
> > expense.
> >  
> > I do not know the cost of producing the AISC Manual and do not have any
> idea
> > what AISC's profit is. But, the cost seems reasonable considering the
> > content. It seems that each professional organization (ACI, AISC, ASCE,
> AWS,
> > CRSI, ICC, ICBO, BOCA, PCA, and others) make a profit from the sale of
> > publications. Code wise, it was not a big problem when the material codes
> > were published in the Building Code. Now structural engineers must fund a
> > continuing annual expense to keep our design publications up to date. 
> >  
> > I think some engineers are finally getting angry. Lets hope that the anger
> > will not be demonstrated by pugnacious and demeaning behavior. 
> >  
> > Bill Scott, P.E., S.E. 
> > Principal Engineer 
> > VECO Alaska, Inc. 
> > 949 E. 36th Street 
> > Anchorage, AK  99508 
> > Phone 907-762-1655, FAX 907-762-1734 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlie Carter [mailto:carter(--nospam--at)aiscmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:50 AM
> > To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'
> > Subject: RE: AISC Latest Move
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >they change 
> > >the "k" dimensions so we, plus every detailer in the country, have to buy
> 
> > >new books... 
> > 
> > Entirely false. 
> > 
> > We became aware that mills had changed their rolling practices and that
> > engineers, fabricators, detailers and others were being affected by the
> > fit-up (or lack thereof) for details with sensitivity to the sizes of the
> > fillets. We initially attempted to reverse this change in mill practices.
> > When that avenue was not possible, we did the advisory so you would;t get
> > caught with your pants down on a misfit.
> > 
> > Besides, even if I wanted to sell you a book with the new T, k and k1
> > dimensions right now I couldn't. Now if we had held the advisory until a
> new
> > publication were available, I could see why you'd suspect what you said,
> but
> > really. Come on!
> > 
> > Charlie 
> > 
> > 
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