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I really love all this talk about BOZO this person and BOZO that person -
may I suggest a EGO-Check ! If plumbers, carpenters, garbage picker-uppers,
or whoever for that matter can ask and get $60K or more per year - THEN MY
HATS OFF TO THEM !!! One thing you have to come to terms with is that none
of this (compensation in corporate America) makes any sense to any
level-minded, rational, thinking person.

LESSON NO. 1 - Never try to compare, justify, or rationalize your personal
compensation with anyone else - SURE YOUR EGO WILL SOMETIMES BE REWARDED,
BUT MOST OF THE TIME YOUR SETTING YOURSELF UP !!

LESSON NO. 2 - DO THE BEST YOU CAN AND LOVE WHAT YOUR DO - NOW YOUR THE
RICHEST PERSON OUT THERE.

John Hilzman, CEO
STEEL TECH N.A. INC.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Alden Manipula" <amanipula(--nospam--at)novagroupinc.net>
To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: Engineering compensation


> Thru math, i've always known that i wouldn't be able to make as much money
> as some bozo executive or tradesman.  I present to you, my fellow SEs, the
> mathematical proof to clarify this whole discussion:
>
> Postulate #1:  Knowledge is Power
> Postulate #2:  Time is Money
>
> We all know that:   Work/Time = Power.   And since Knowledge=Power and
> Time=Money (Postulate#1 & #2, above), we have:
>
> (Work/Money)=Knowledge
>
> Solving for Money, we get:  (Work/Knowledge) = Money
>
> Therefore, as Knowledge approaches zero, Money approaches infinity
> regardless of the work done.  The less Knowledge you posses, the more
Money
> you make.
>
> :-)
>
> Alden Manipula
> Structural E.I.T.
> www.novagroupinc.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Richards, P.E." <george(--nospam--at)BORM.com>
> To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:44 AM
> Subject: RE: Engineering compensation
>
>
> > Gentlemen:
> >
> > I posted the comment about the $60,000 framer for the same reason that
it
> > was posted that a plumber makes more than an engineer; to illustrate
what
> is
> > a general inequity in an engineer's pay.
> >
> > Ask yourselves what are you hourly billing rates.  Are they as high as
> those
> > of lawyers in your area?  If they are not even close then perhaps you
are
> > cheating yourselves, your employees, and your families.
> >
> > When I design a retaining wall on Enercalc, it takes me 5 minutes to run
> the
> > calculations.  We do not charge for five minutes.  We charge for the
> > education, training, and experience we have as well as for the fact that
> we
> > are accepting responsibility for a 1000 feet of wall.  We detail the
crap
> > out of the wall and charge $0000.00.
> >
> > I dream of what I call the  SIX PERCENT SOLUTION.  The EOR should get 6%
> of
> > the value of the project for his services, for being responsible for the
> > health, safety and welfare of the public.  Is 6% not what the uneducated
> > real-estate salesman will get each time he moves the place?
> >
> > It starts with each of us to say we really are worth more to society
than
> we
> > have been asking for in the past.
> >
> > George Richards
> >
> >
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