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Ladies &  Gentlemen,
    This compensation issue has me some what perplexed. I am in constant
contact with all levels of engineers,
(structural, civil and architectural ) and the market is extremely tight in
consulting, manufacturing and contracting. In fact in Northern California
alone there are openings for over 100 structural engineers with there PE's.
( I know this because I am a "HEADHUNTER" or executive search consultant if
you will ) However, when I contact a good majority of you, most say you are
happy were you are, you will retire here, ect, ect, ect. If you are unhappy
with the amount of money you make only you can change it. Now is the perfect
time  to leverage your career. If you want to make more money, complaining
on this message board is not going to help you. Changing jobs to a company
that gives you the oppt. to grow, room for advancement, or partnership
possibilities will.

   Thanks for listening to me vent,

THOM ALASCIO
SR. ACCOUNT MANAGER
PETERSON CONSULTING GROUP
800.269.7319 EXT.1007
Fax 877.778.7320
561.538.4036 (CELL)
www.onlinepcg.com
thom(--nospam--at)onlinepcg.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Alden Manipula <amanipula(--nospam--at)novagroupinc.net>
To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: Engineering compensation


> Thru math, i've always known that i wouldn't be able to make as much money
> as some bozo executive or tradesman.  I present to you, my fellow SEs, the
> mathematical proof to clarify this whole discussion:
>
> Postulate #1:  Knowledge is Power
> Postulate #2:  Time is Money
>
> We all know that:   Work/Time = Power.   And since Knowledge=Power and
> Time=Money (Postulate#1 & #2, above), we have:
>
> (Work/Money)=Knowledge
>
> Solving for Money, we get:  (Work/Knowledge) = Money
>
> Therefore, as Knowledge approaches zero, Money approaches infinity
> regardless of the work done.  The less Knowledge you posses, the more
Money
> you make.
>
> :-)
>
> Alden Manipula
> Structural E.I.T.
> www.novagroupinc.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Richards, P.E." <george(--nospam--at)BORM.com>
> To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:44 AM
> Subject: RE: Engineering compensation
>
>
> > Gentlemen:
> >
> > I posted the comment about the $60,000 framer for the same reason that
it
> > was posted that a plumber makes more than an engineer; to illustrate
what
> is
> > a general inequity in an engineer's pay.
> >
> > Ask yourselves what are you hourly billing rates.  Are they as high as
> those
> > of lawyers in your area?  If they are not even close then perhaps you
are
> > cheating yourselves, your employees, and your families.
> >
> > When I design a retaining wall on Enercalc, it takes me 5 minutes to run
> the
> > calculations.  We do not charge for five minutes.  We charge for the
> > education, training, and experience we have as well as for the fact that
> we
> > are accepting responsibility for a 1000 feet of wall.  We detail the
crap
> > out of the wall and charge $0000.00.
> >
> > I dream of what I call the  SIX PERCENT SOLUTION.  The EOR should get 6%
> of
> > the value of the project for his services, for being responsible for the
> > health, safety and welfare of the public.  Is 6% not what the uneducated
> > real-estate salesman will get each time he moves the place?
> >
> > It starts with each of us to say we really are worth more to society
than
> we
> > have been asking for in the past.
> >
> > George Richards
> >
> >
> > ---
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