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Do you really want to fill those 100 vacancies? Why not try some 
expatriates?

RP Mehrotra

----- Original Message -----
From: "thom@onlinepcg" <thom(--nospam--at)onlinepcg.com>
Date: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:33 pm
Subject: Re: Engineering compensation

> Ladies &  Gentlemen,
>    This compensation issue has me some what perplexed. I am in 
> constantcontact with all levels of engineers,
> (structural, civil and architectural ) and the market is extremely 
> tight in
> consulting, manufacturing and contracting. In fact in Northern 
> Californiaalone there are openings for over 100 structural 
> engineers with there PE's.
> ( I know this because I am a "HEADHUNTER" or executive search 
> consultant if
> you will ) However, when I contact a good majority of you, most 
> say you are
> happy were you are, you will retire here, ect, ect, ect. If you 
> are unhappy
> with the amount of money you make only you can change it. Now is 
> the perfect
> time  to leverage your career. If you want to make more money, 
> complainingon this message board is not going to help you. 
> Changing jobs to a company
> that gives you the oppt. to grow, room for advancement, or partnership
> possibilities will.
> 
>   Thanks for listening to me vent,
> 
> THOM ALASCIO
> SR. ACCOUNT MANAGER
> PETERSON CONSULTING GROUP
> 800.269.7319 EXT.1007
> Fax 877.778.7320
> 561.538.4036 (CELL)
> www.onlinepcg.com
> thom(--nospam--at)onlinepcg.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alden Manipula <amanipula(--nospam--at)novagroupinc.net>
> To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Engineering compensation
> 
> 
> > Thru math, i've always known that i wouldn't be able to make as 
> much money
> > as some bozo executive or tradesman.  I present to you, my 
> fellow SEs, the
> > mathematical proof to clarify this whole discussion:
> >
> > Postulate #1:  Knowledge is Power
> > Postulate #2:  Time is Money
> >
> > We all know that:   Work/Time = Power.   And since 
> Knowledge=Power and
> > Time=Money (Postulate#1 & #2, above), we have:
> >
> > (Work/Money)=Knowledge
> >
> > Solving for Money, we get:  (Work/Knowledge) = Money
> >
> > Therefore, as Knowledge approaches zero, Money approaches infinity
> > regardless of the work done.  The less Knowledge you posses, the 
> moreMoney
> > you make.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Alden Manipula
> > Structural E.I.T.
> > www.novagroupinc.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "George Richards, P.E." <george(--nospam--at)BORM.com>
> > To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:44 AM
> > Subject: RE: Engineering compensation
> >
> >
> > > Gentlemen:
> > >
> > > I posted the comment about the $60,000 framer for the same 
> reason that
> it
> > > was posted that a plumber makes more than an engineer; to 
> illustratewhat
> > is
> > > a general inequity in an engineer's pay.
> > >
> > > Ask yourselves what are you hourly billing rates.  Are they as 
> high as
> > those
> > > of lawyers in your area?  If they are not even close then 
> perhaps you
> are
> > > cheating yourselves, your employees, and your families.
> > >
> > > When I design a retaining wall on Enercalc, it takes me 5 
> minutes to run
> > the
> > > calculations.  We do not charge for five minutes.  We charge 
> for the
> > > education, training, and experience we have as well as for the 
> fact that
> > we
> > > are accepting responsibility for a 1000 feet of wall.  We 
> detail the
> crap
> > > out of the wall and charge $0000.00.
> > >
> > > I dream of what I call the  SIX PERCENT SOLUTION.  The EOR 
> should get 6%
> > of
> > > the value of the project for his services, for being 
> responsible for the
> > > health, safety and welfare of the public.  Is 6% not what the 
> uneducated> > real-estate salesman will get each time he moves the 
> place?> >
> > > It starts with each of us to say we really are worth more to 
> societythan
> > we
> > > have been asking for in the past.
> > >
> > > George Richards
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
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