my LAST post on this thread. It is way off-topic, and it's
promulgation is UNFAIR to the other readers. If you feel compelled to
get in the last word, please do so PRIVATELY.
I clicked on your
link shortly after you posted it this morning and read the Insight Magazine
article. If your argument is based entirely on that article, then you need
to do a lot more reading! Not only was Sally Hemings Jefferson's slave and
concubine, she was also his kin. There is little dispute that her mother
and the mother of Jefferson's wife (Martha Wayles Skelton) were
step-sisters. Sally and Martha had the same grandfather, John
Wayles. You should also be aware that Jefferson had several other
well-documented affairs. Sally may have been the last, but she was not the
with George Wythe and his wife for 5 years in Williamsburg. Wythe was
educated in England, and was widely recognized as being the top
legal expert and the model of professional integrity in Colonial
America. He taught Jefferson everything that he knew, and Jefferson
regarded him as a second father. Years later when Wythe died, he left his
estate to his only son, who happened to be both illegitimate and
also had only one son, also illegitimate. Franklin had a number of
affairs throughout his long life, and made no attempt to hide them. Like
Jefferson, he was repeatedly attracted to the pretty wives of his friends and
I could go on,
but choose not to. The point is that while our founding fathers were
truly amazing individuals, they certainly were not saints. Their moral
compasses reflected the societal standards of their time. Fortunately,
over the past 225 years, those standards have risen. At least, that is my
-----Original Message----- From:
Bill Polhemus [mailto:bill(--nospam--at)polhemus.cc] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001
1:06 PM To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org Subject: RE: History Buffs
(Waayyy off topic)
has nothing to do with history, but with the way that we so easily swallow the
bilge-water of advocacy groups who put up a piece of "science" which is then
trumpeted by the media.
Jefferson's alleged fathering of those children is but one example of
this. As I said before: I am not saying this didn't happen because I CAN'T say
so. There is no WAY to prove it did NOT. I can tell you what I
so doing, I'm labeled "ignorant," despite the fact that I give concrete reasons
for why I believe the way I do.
recap: A study put out by an advocacy group, which was not peer reviewed,
appears to convict Thomas Jefferson of this deed, and everyone believes it. A
peer-reviewed study, based on solid science, appears directly afterward, showing
that there is no evidence that this was the case, and it is
What more do I need to say?
I'm sorry that you don't like the facts, but the reality is
what it is. I also find it somewhat ironic that you, of all people, are
defending the honor of the founder of the Democratic Party!
Stan, all you're doing is pointing right back to the original
study that I contend was flawed, was not reviewed in accordance with accepted
standards of scholarship, and is, in summary, yet another example of "junk
Now, I've given YOU a link to an alternate view, which
EXPOSES the study and details a SEPARATE study, which WAS submitted for general
review by other experts, which was put out there to find the TRUTH, and you
ignored it. Why is that?
FWIW, it appears abundantly clear that the Monticello
organization was out to drum up new "supporters." Directly after they published
this stupid study--which served to garner publicity of the type they could NEVER
have garnered otherwise--they got a bunch of Leftist celebrities on their
"board." They seem to have served themselves well.
But they served the cause of truth poorly. Are you
going to read the alternate view, and comment, or is it enough to believe what
Tom Brokaw tells you?