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Re: Tilt Up systems

[Subject Prev][Subject Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next] Walter:

The foam that I'm talking about is in the center of the panel.  In actuality, we were using about 1-1/8" of concrete/plaster at each face of the wall and the foam is in the middle.  The steel grid is made up of gage wires, welded in a 2" square pattern.  There is a grid of wire in the middle of each 1" face and then connecting diagonal wires between the faces.   Where conduit and other embedded materials are to be installed, the erector just blows out the foam with compressed air.  In actuality, these panels can be ordered without the foam at the center.  You could probably use some of the panels as shear walls and have others as just vertical bearing walls.  At one time and possibly still around, there were ICBO approvals for these panels.

On our one story structures, the concrete was more just strong plaster - 1000 psi worked fine.  Some tall structures of this material (like warehouses and assembly areas) were constructed.  The wall strength was made possible by a vertical folded plate arrangement.  I have also seen a long span roof using a folded plate configuration.  The structural engineer who designed these buildings is in northern California. (not us).

We came across this system while we were doing some work in Nigeria, but didn't use it until later in Southern California and Mexico.  Below is a link to some examples of the Impac panels:

Neil Moore, S.E.
neil moore and associates
shingle springs, california

At 09:29 AM 6/8/2001 -0500, Walter Sheen wrote:
>Dear Neal,
>We would think about a 4 inch thick panel with one wwm in the middle. There
>are some psycological reasons for not using the system you describe. I have
>somebody selling this system in a construction exposition, but people don't
>like "poliestyrene" houses, and they don't trust us engineers very much.
>They want something "hard", that's also why the lightweight steel
>construction is not very popular over here.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Neil Moore" <nmoore(--nospam--at)>
>To: <seaint(--nospam--at)>; <seaint(--nospam--at)>
>Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:00 AM
>Subject: Re: Tilt Up systems
>> Walter:
>> What is the configuration of your welded wire mesh?  There are systems
>> available using a double mesh configuration that you can construct using
>> either shot blasting or pumping.   These systems usually have a foam
>> which keeps the weight down and providing almost as much strength.  The
>> highest building that we ever designed for was three stories.  Check out
>> Insteel and Impac products.  As far as the connection detailing, we had to
>> develop our own using basic principles.  These systems also do not require
>> forms.
>> The floors can also use the double mesh/grid system.
>> Neil Moore, S.E.
>> neil moore and associates
>> shingle springs, california
>> At 06:44 PM 6/7/2001 -0500, Walter Sheen wrote:
>> >Gerard,
>> >
>> >Thanks for your quick reply. We don't use tilt up here in Peru. We are
>> >building 5 story welded wire mesh reinforced concrete 4 inch thick wall
>> >buildings and the cost of the forms if very important in the total cost
>> >the building. So we are thinking about tilt up to lower this cost, but we
>> >wondered about connections and thought there might be some system already
>> >developed, that's what I meant by tilt up system providers.
>> >
>> >I'll get the references you suggest.
>> >
>> >Thanks a lot
>> >
>> >Walter