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I agree; the architect (in conjuction with the mechanical engineer) should
carefully consider the detailing of this system for moisture protection. 
However, similar problems have occured with EIFS systems.

-Keith Fix, PE
-Little Rock, AR

--- Scott Maxwell <smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu> wrote:
> Brick with block back-up is what was preferred (or rather insisted upon)
> at most A/E firms that I have work at.  The obvious problem with this
> system versus brick with metal stud backup is cost.  But you need to pay
> (or rather the architect does) particular attention to the connection
> details for a brick with metal stud system, especially considerations for
> penetration of moisture.
> 
> I worked on an existing building that had a metal stud backup system
> behind the brick.  One section of the wall collapsed due to a combination
> of moisture penetration and inadequit penetration of the screws for the
> brick "ties" into the metal studs.  A metal stud systems can (and has)
> been used but it does tend to require more attention to the details.
> 
> Scott
> Ypsilanti, MI
> 
> 
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Chris Towne wrote:
> 
> > Brick with metal stud back up seems to be common practice here.  What would
> > your recommended alternate be?
> > 
> > Chris Towne, P.E.
> > Chapman Technical Group
> > 200 Sixth Avenue
> > St. Albans, WV 25177
> > Phone 304-727-5501
> > Fax 304-727-5580
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Maxwell" <smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu>
> > To: "SEAINT List Server" <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: Brick Shelf Angles
> > 
> > 
> > > I have seen it done either way.  If you do stack it full height, then be
> > > careful of joints for movement of the brick.  The brick will then to
> > > expand due to moisture and heat, so you need to make sure that there is
> > > adequate movement space below windows etc.  Stacking the brick full
> height
> > > will mean that your movement joints below a window on the second floor
> > > will have to be larger than if you used a relief/shelf angle.
> > >
> > > Your bigger problem will likely be the metal stud backup.  Brick with a
> > > metal stud backup system is not the most desirable system.  You need to
> > > pay extremely close attention to the details for this type of a system.
> > > Most A/E firms that I have worked at would not do brick with metal stud
> > > back up or would require the client to sign a "wavier" for "forcing" the
> > > use of such a system due to cost reasons.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > > Scott
> > > Ypsilanti, MI
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Chris Towne wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am designing a 2 story braced steel frame building that has a max.
> ht.
> > of 38'.  The exterior walls are brick with metal stud backing.  Are steel
> > shelf angles warranted or would it be standard practice to have a
> continuous
> > wall from the foundation wall to the roof?
> > > >
> > > > Chris Towne, P.E.
> > > > Chapman Technical Group
> > > > 200 Sixth Avenue
> > > > St. Albans, WV 25177
> > > > Phone 304-727-5501
> > > > Fax 304-727-5580
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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