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Do you really want to get me started on EIFS systems?!? <grin>

Scott
Ypsilanti, MI


On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Keith Fix wrote:

> I agree; the architect (in conjuction with the mechanical engineer) should
> carefully consider the detailing of this system for moisture protection. 
> However, similar problems have occured with EIFS systems.
> 
> -Keith Fix, PE
> -Little Rock, AR
> 
> --- Scott Maxwell <smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu> wrote:
> > Brick with block back-up is what was preferred (or rather insisted upon)
> > at most A/E firms that I have work at.  The obvious problem with this
> > system versus brick with metal stud backup is cost.  But you need to pay
> > (or rather the architect does) particular attention to the connection
> > details for a brick with metal stud system, especially considerations for
> > penetration of moisture.
> > 
> > I worked on an existing building that had a metal stud backup system
> > behind the brick.  One section of the wall collapsed due to a combination
> > of moisture penetration and inadequit penetration of the screws for the
> > brick "ties" into the metal studs.  A metal stud systems can (and has)
> > been used but it does tend to require more attention to the details.
> > 
> > Scott
> > Ypsilanti, MI
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Chris Towne wrote:
> > 
> > > Brick with metal stud back up seems to be common practice here.  What would
> > > your recommended alternate be?
> > > 
> > > Chris Towne, P.E.
> > > Chapman Technical Group
> > > 200 Sixth Avenue
> > > St. Albans, WV 25177
> > > Phone 304-727-5501
> > > Fax 304-727-5580
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scott Maxwell" <smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu>
> > > To: "SEAINT List Server" <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:26 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Brick Shelf Angles
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > I have seen it done either way.  If you do stack it full height, then be
> > > > careful of joints for movement of the brick.  The brick will then to
> > > > expand due to moisture and heat, so you need to make sure that there is
> > > > adequate movement space below windows etc.  Stacking the brick full
> > height
> > > > will mean that your movement joints below a window on the second floor
> > > > will have to be larger than if you used a relief/shelf angle.
> > > >
> > > > Your bigger problem will likely be the metal stud backup.  Brick with a
> > > > metal stud backup system is not the most desirable system.  You need to
> > > > pay extremely close attention to the details for this type of a system.
> > > > Most A/E firms that I have worked at would not do brick with metal stud
> > > > back up or would require the client to sign a "wavier" for "forcing" the
> > > > use of such a system due to cost reasons.
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > > Ypsilanti, MI
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Chris Towne wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I am designing a 2 story braced steel frame building that has a max.
> > ht.
> > > of 38'.  The exterior walls are brick with metal stud backing.  Are steel
> > > shelf angles warranted or would it be standard practice to have a
> > continuous
> > > wall from the foundation wall to the roof?
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris Towne, P.E.
> > > > > Chapman Technical Group
> > > > > 200 Sixth Avenue
> > > > > St. Albans, WV 25177
> > > > > Phone 304-727-5501
> > > > > Fax 304-727-5580
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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