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My Dear Sharon,

One is free to make any conclusion about any body. But the question is of PERCEPTION. Experience has shown (refer to: THE SEVEN HABITS OF HIGHLY EFFECTIVE PEOPLE; BY: STEPHEN R. COVEY), mosT of the time such conclusions are totally incorrect, unfounded & hence of no value at all.

I respond to the postings on the LIST in various ways. 'GENTLEMEN' is one of the style that I usually adopt when I need to address a group of audiences (who are already involved by virtue of their responses on that particular posting)& most of the time they happen to be gentlemen. So, I have no malice/prejudice towards any female member on the LIST.

For your further education, I come from a muslim society that is very respectful to women in general, by virtue of Islamic teachings. In our society women enjoy respect & dignity purely because of societal values existing there for centuries together.

My own two sisters are civil engineers & one sister is a professionally qualified doctor. They work & enjoy respect at their work places.

So, please don't assume things. If you need to form opinion, its safe to ask rather than perceive a wrong conclusion.

I hope I didn't offend you. For, if I did I offer my apology in advance. Best regards,

SYED FAIZ AHMAD; MENGG, MASCE
SENIOR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER
SAUDI OGER LTD
RIYADH, SAUDI ARABIA.



From: sharonb(--nospam--at)slarchitects.com
Reply-To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: RE: Destruction of Kurram Village, Afghanistan
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:02:52 -0700

Syed Faiz Ahmad,
Because of your response, I see that you are sensitive (to Islam and the
Muslims).  So, why then, when there are women participants on this list, do
you typically address your posts to "Gentlemen?" One might make some of the
same conclusions about you.
Sharon Robertson Bonds


-----Original Message-----
From: syed faiz ahmad [mailto:syedfaiz23(--nospam--at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:16 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Cc: nmoore(--nospam--at)innercite.com
Subject: RE: Destruction of Kurram Village, Afghanistan


Neil Moore,

I appreciate your response on the subject. Masroor probably made a mistake
by posting a politically sounded clip on this purely technical forum. I
can't imagine what was his actual motive. At first instance it sounds he
vented his feelings against bombing of innocent civilians but on the other
thought, as I gathered, he was in all sincerity trying to make a point that
bombing innocent civilian is not justified, in the same manner as there
can't be any justification for terror attacks on WTC & Washington.

But iam equally disgusted to read responses of our learned structural
engineers, to name a few, Stan & Matthew etc.

Their approach is macho & movie like. Such style simply exposes them &
brings out their true feelings. They may have justification for this linear
thinking of theirs but it is against all civilized norms.

Please donot construe I favor what Bin Laden & his Associates (although
there yet to be a credible evidence in favor) did on the 11th. of September.

I abhore all these like most Muslims the world over do. But I'll also not
condone the language, tone & tenor of our friends like Stan & Matthew etc.
This simply transmits (to whoever concerned) the deep down hatred that some
people in the west unnecessarily have against Islam & the Muslims at large.
In simple words, I would call these comments (by the afore mentioned
gentlemen) as hate remarks, racist & bullying/macho like, especially when
Stan is threatening to bomb the house of our friend Masroor.

With this I would end, but before that would take this opportunity to
caution (without mincing words) Stan, Matthew & others alike to refrain from

such style of expression. Best regards to all.

SYED FAIZ AHMAD; MENGG, MASCE
SENIOR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER
SAUDI OGER LTD
RIYADH, SAUDI ARABIA.



>From: Neil Moore <nmoore(--nospam--at)innercite.com>
>Reply-To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
>To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org, "'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'" <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
>Subject: RE: Destruction of Kurram Village, Afghanistan
>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:16:47 -0700
>
>No, No, No, - Stan!!!!!!!
>
>Pakistan is actually our friend and they have been for a long time. Don't
>get
>carried away by someone who is goading us on purpose. I think that we are
>all
>above this. People of all faith have to come together to rid the world of >these canker sores. This list should probably refrain from getting into a
>pissing match over religion and politics no matter how high our emotions
>are at
>this time.
>
>On the other hand, sometime the governments of the world will have to
>address
>the terrible poverty and living conditions in all of the subcontinent
>countries.
>
>Neil Moore, S.E.
>neil moore and associates
>
>who used to live and work in Pakistan.
>
>
>
>At 12:31 PM 10/22/2001 -0500, Caldwell, Stan wrote:
>
> >
> > To Syed Abulkhair Masroor in Karachi, Pakistan:
> >
> > Please send us your address. Not your street and tent number, but your
> > latitude and longitude, accurate to several significant digits.
> >
> > We would like to send you a 5000# present, by airmail!
> >
> > No regards whatsoever,
> >
> > Stan Caldwell in Dallas, Texas, USA
>
>
>


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