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Does Hardy Frame have a web site? If so, if you know please share it.

Quo Vadis?
Pax e Gratia
Bob Ross
Robert P. Ross, P.E.
Principal Project Manager
Washington Group International,Inc.
Industrial Processes
17320 Red Hill, Suite 300
Irvine, Ca. 92614 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Wish" <dennis.wish(--nospam--at)gte.net>
Date: Tuesday, December 4, 2001 0:38 am
Subject: RE: Straw House structural values

> Stan
> Send it to me with some information about it and about building it 
and
> I'll post it on the Alternative Housing section of the Structuralist
> Public Forum (this is what the forum is for). 
> I suspect that one of the reasons you got it through plan check was
> because of your qualification. Your lateral system is the metal frame
> building so the Strawbale are working as an infill. I don't see 
> anythingwrong with this, but the clients I have had who were 
> interested in
> Strawbale were not educated in the need for shear resistance and 
> thoughtI was being overly conservative by suggesting a primary 
> shearwall system
> (as I mentioned, I designed it to accept either a Simpson 
> Strongwall cut
> into the bales with a chainsaw (or a Hardy Frame as an approved
> alternative). Instead of a steel system, the architect / owner had
> exposed beams and round bark stripped columns. He too salvaged 
> much of
> the wood, doors and windows. 
> I did not finish the project and recommended it back to another
> engineer. My main problem was the offset of the Strawbale walls at 
the
> second floor and the problem with transferring shear down to the 
first
> floor when nothing lined up. Also, the house was constructed in 
> Anza -
> an area up in the mountains and the site was on sandstone. We 
designed
> part of the foundation to be directly installed into the sandstone 
> rockoutcropping.
> 
> I would assume it is finished, but I don't know how he resolved the
> shear problem.
> 
> Stan, you have a thing for Unreinforced or old structures :>) I'll be
> the Strawbale came out nice. They do make excellent southwest style
> homes because of the thick walls. 
> 
> Send the information via e-mail and I will be happy to post it.
> 
> Dennis S. Wish, PE
> California Professional Engineer
> Administrator - The Structuralist.Net
> Website: 
> http://www.structuralist.net
> 
> Professional Forum: 
> http://www.structuralist.net/cgi-local/yabb/YaBB.cgi
> 
> Public Forum on Housing: 
> http://www.structuralist.net/cgi-local/yabb2/YaBB.cgi
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sscholl2(--nospam--at)juno.com [mailto:sscholl2(--nospam--at)juno.com] 
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:16 PM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: Re: Straw House structural values
> 
> My house is in Fallbrook which is in San Diego County. I started 
> with a
> conventional metal rigid frame building and used the straw bales as
> infill wall elements. The second floor is supported by the bales. To
> facilitate some architectural elements, I have portions of the 
> bales on
> edge while most are not. 
> 
> I got my permit about two years ago with no trouble and also had no
> trouble with the building inspectors.  It is on a 2.5 acre site. 
> It has
> a
> stucco exterior and drywall interior. The windows are steel frame 
> from a
> 50 yr. old school in LA.
> The house was not less expensive to build. I did it as a hobby 
> project.I
> have it for sale now for $350,000.
> I can send a photo or two electronically to anyone who is interested.
> 
> Stan
> 
> On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:43:50 -0800 "Dennis Wish" <dennis.wish(--nospam--at)gte.net>
> writes:
> > Stan,
> > I've had the opposite experience in Riverside County with 
> Strawbale. 
> > My
> > experience was (and I posted this to the list) with an 
> Architects 
> > design
> > and not with a prescriptive method for Strawbale design. Riverside
> > County is not normally difficult to pass alternative styles of
> > construction and I know of a two story SIP project under 
> > construction
> > now that would not have been allowed for use in Los Angeles. 
> > However, the feedback I received from Riverside County plan 
> checkers 
> > on
> > the Strawbale project was a request for adequate testing based 
> on 
> > cyclic
> > loading unless I wanted to design an alternative lateral 
restraining
> > system (which I did). 
> > They were also concerned as they had a couple of Strawbale projects
> > under construction. In their opinion, it is more of an 
Owner/builder
> > type project and in the case of the projects they currently had, 
the
> > owners had been building the homes for more than one year each. 
They
> > were frustrated that construction constantly became delayed for one
> > reason or another (usually financial) and believed that although 
> > they
> > wanted to help an owner who wished to build an alternative style 
> > home,
> > they wanted it done expediently and felt that this was not 
> > happening. 
> > The building official was so frustrated with the considers of the
> > projects that they had, that he indicated how reluctant he was 
> to 
> > issue
> > another permit.
> > 
> > I'm not sure what was issued to the state for prescriptive 
> > construction
> > methods, but what testing has been done that you know of to 
> justify 
> > the
> > materials for use in a high risk zone OR is it simply assumed to 
> be 
> > a
> > post and beam structure with straw infill and a separate lateral
> > restrained system?
> > 
> > Dennis S. Wish, PE
> > California Professional Engineer
> > Administrator - The Structuralist.Net
> > Website: 
> > http://www.structuralist.net
> >  
> > Professional Forum: 
> > http://www.structuralist.net/cgi-local/yabb/YaBB.cgi
> >  
> > Public Forum on Housing: 
> > http://www.structuralist.net/cgi-local/yabb2/YaBB.cgi
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sscholl2(--nospam--at)juno.com [mailto:sscholl2(--nospam--at)juno.com] 
> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:02 AM
> > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > Subject: Re: Straw House structural values
> > 
> > I have designed and built a two story straw bale house in 
> Fallbrook, 
> > CA.
> > There is a lot of information available if you search "straw 
> bale" 
> > or
> > similar places. There is no problem getting a permit in So. 
> Calif. 
> > that
> > I
> > know of. The State of Calif. set certain standards and the local
> > building
> > dept. "shall issue a permit" if you follow the standards. 
> > However I have no idea what you are talking about with "clay". 
> You 
> > use a
> > concrete foundation. 
> > For other information you may e-mail me privately. 
> > Stan Scholl, P.E.
> > Laguna Beach, CA      sscholl2(--nospam--at)juno.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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