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Re: cast-in-place side walks/walk way/foot walk------ treatment ofjoints

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dear Syed,
I think you have to follow the contract documents regardless your openion, as
the consultant is doing the same.
I find your point of view logical but only if no specs regarding the subject are
clearly mentioned in contract documents

NABEEL HAMED
civil construction manager
Z-Aljazira LLC
Khobar-Saudi Arabia
nabeel_hamed(--nospam--at)yahoo.com
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: cast-in-place side walks/walk way/foot walk------ treatment of
joints
Sent: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:33:16 -0400 (EDT)
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> All the sidewalks in my neck of the woods have NO sealant in the joints.
>The joints are either just a tooled joint left "bare" or a construction
>joint with a "bond breaker"/pourstop in the joint.
>
>Joint spacing is at about a 2:1 to 1:1 ratio (i.e. sidewalk width is
>typically about 3 feet wide and joints are typically about 3 to 5 feet
>apart).
>
>HTH,
>
>Scott
>Ypsilanti, MI
>
>
>On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, syed faiz ahmad wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> The issue is the joint treatment for the above mentioned items of work.
>> We have a considerable lenghts of side walks for the project. As a
>> Contarctor we would prefer to have:
>>                   - minimum possible amount of joints
>>                   - to economise, to do away with any sealing of  joints.
>>
>> For Rigid Concrete Pavement, or for that matter a slab-on-grade, sealing
>> of grooves of  joints is understandable. That is, it is required to
>> prevent water or dirt moving under the pavement/slab which might trigger
>> pumping & thereby damage the subbase &  eventually the pavement/slab
>> itself.
>>
>> But for a lightly loaded pedestrian side walk,  is there really  a need
>> to seal the joints? Given the fact that the region is arid, with very
>> scanty rains, and the chances of water getting under is slim. But even if
>> it gets thru, so what, its only a lightly loaded side walk.
>>
>> The Consultant to the project is insisting for sealing the joints, which
>> I feel it doesn't warrant a technical need for the same.
>>
>> Any thought based on  individual experience?  Thanx in advance,
>>
>> Syed Faiz Ahmad; MEngg, Masce
>> Senior Structural Engineer
>> Saudi Oger Ltd
>> Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
>>
>>
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