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Re: Why I Continue To Shell Out The Money (WAS: EJCDC Documents (OR: What's The Point Of Even Joining ASCE?))

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Hate to be a nit-picker (OK, you caught me...I really like it), but ASCE
is really a PROFESSIONAL organization not a technical one.  The primary
focus of ASCE is to promote and advance the profession of civil
engineering.  They also happen to be in the business of doing some
technical stuff, so you could claim that they are partly a technical

ACI is a pure technical organization.  PCI is a trade organization.  AISC
wears two hats by being both a trade and technical organization.  PCA is a
trade organization.  NSPE is a professional organization.  SEAOC (and all
the other SEAs) are all professional organizations (some of which still do
some very real technical stuff).


Ypsilanti, MI

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, M. David Finley, P.E. wrote:

> While this is a poor reason to be a member of a TECHNICAL association, I have continued my membership in ASCE primarily because the health & disability insurance coverage has been better than I could obtain elsewhere, even including the membership dues.
> M. David Finley, P.E.
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Bill Polhemus
>   To: seaint(--nospam--at)
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:00 AM
>   Subject: Why I Continue To Shell Out The Money (WAS: EJCDC Documents (OR: What's The Point Of Even Joining ASCE?))
>   BTW: I should point out that I will, regretably, continue paying the dues to ASCE--from which I get little benefit except being able to pay "member price" for publications and for the fat-laden dinner at the occasional monthly meeting.
>   Why?
>   One reason: The privilege of having a say in their proceedings.
>   For example: The Texas Branch of ASCE is authoring a document that they hope will eventually become a state "building code" (or "codelet" as I call it) governing foundations for light commercial and residential construction. The code as it has been developing has a lot of stuff in their to shift all responsibility from geotechnical engineers--which have a strong presence in ASCE because of the large geotech firms such as PSI or Law--to the structural engineer.
>   I sat on a review committee for one of our local structural engineering organizations that made comments to the draft of the paper, and will take up the matter legislatively if the original intent is maintained.
>   The stipulation was that you had to be a member of ASCE to comment "on the record"; otherwise, you could only comment during the "public comment" period.
>   Being an ASCE member gave me standing that I wouldn't have had otherwise. So you have to join "the Party" in order to try to influence things (even if it is rather like a minnow trying to push an Aircraft Carrier in an attempt to change its course).

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