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Are you saying that, Indians should not complain about beauracracy because of the wide prevelance of it in India and, that they should have gotten used to it? If your answer is in the affirmative, I hope you never complain about anything that frustrates and irritates you in the USA. And, if you are not the complaining type, you would not have made such a big deal about the "day long experience" in an Indian postal center.


 Stanley E Scholl <sscholl2(--nospam--at)> wrote:

It sounds to me that you are expecting other states to look up your records and forward them to the state you are applying to. It is not reasonable to expect others to do your work. And I say again that one from India is the last who should complain about bureaucracy. Besides the all day trip to mail a package in Delhi, I have had lots of other experiences there and they were all way more bureaucratic than anywhere in this country.
Stan Scholl, P.E.
Laguna Beach, CA
On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:15:25 -0800 (PST) Padmanabhan Rajendran <rakamaka(--nospam--at)> writes:

Dear Stan,

My education credentials have been verified by three states (within the USA) so far and are available in their files. That is not sufficient for Texas Board. Okay, Texas Board may mistrust me, but what is their problem with other Boards within the USA?

Having graduated (BS) from India in 1970, when computerised data systems were not widespread, it is extremely dificult to get the transcripts. Last time, I was lucky to have someone in Madras (now called Chennai) pursue the matter and to part with money as and when required, and even then it took 8 months. At the end, my contact had the college send me 10 copies of the transcripts in sealed envelopes. There is no way I can tamper it without being caught in the act. 

Furthermore, there are hundreds of Texas registrants who graduated from the same college I came from (Indian Institute of Technology). Through them the courses and course contents have been verified hundreds of times. So, why is the Texas Board insisting on having it done again? To say that it is so because of the rules, which are made by a group of people anyway, is nothing but beauracracy. All rules have exceptions and, all of us know that rules get bent or broken.

I don't have a problem to submit my experience data, references etc. These are justifiable requests. Why is the Board forcing for information it is already aware of? I spoke with the chief (at least, that is what the operator told me) at Texas Board (in 1997, I believe) and explained to him the above facts, but he would not relent. He simply said, "these are the rules". Only a beauracrat, who cannot exercise reason would answer that way.

BTW, I am not envious of anything or anybody. In fact, I admire lot of things I have seen in Texas. My critique of an issue is not to be equated to envy.

Have a great 2003.


 "Caldwell, Stan" <scaldwell(--nospam--at)> wrote:

Padmanabhan Rajendran wrote:

You are assuming that I was grandfathered to a PE
licence. Far from it. I took the 8hr exam in 1989
(came to the USA in 1988) and passed in the first
attempt scoring 93%. When I applied for registration
with KS, I was asked to sit for the FE exam too!! I
did that in 1995, 25 years after my BS degree, and
passed with a 90% score. I had to produce the
transcripts etc, which I did with strenuous effort.
All these documents are available with the OK Board.
However, the documents which OK Board have, are not
acceptable to the Texas Board. In my opinion, that
attitude is far worse than the beauracracy you seem to
have experienced in India.


Dear Rajendran:

Why does every year commence with someone north of the Red River taking a cheap shot at Texas?  Envy, perhaps?  The Texas PE Board diligently verifies the education and experience qualifications of all candidates for licensure, and the burden of proof always rests with the candidate.  They require original documents because they have been burned more than once in the past by scam artists.  They don't discriminate against anyone, not even Okies.  It has always been that way.  The rules are clearly stated.  Patiently follow them, and be happy!


Stan R. Caldwell, P.E.
Dallas, Texas

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