Need a book? Engineering books recommendations...

Return to index: [Subject] [Thread] [Date] [Author]

RE: Soil Lateral Loading

[Subject Prev][Subject Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next]
Title: Soil Lateral Loading
85 to 110 pcf equivalent fluid density seems incredibly high for soil pressure calculations unless you are constructing your culvert in a bog of quivering jelly, with a friction angle of about 5 degrees. An equivalent fluid density of 60 pcf for calculation of lateral earth pressure on an at-rest basis corresponds to soil with a dry density of 120 pcf, a Ko of .50, and a friction angle of 30 degrees, which is pretty typical.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adair, Joel [mailto:JAdair(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:18 AM
To: SEAINT List (E-mail)
Subject: Soil Lateral Loading

The recent thread about culvert design prompted a related question.  We have an ongoing quandary at out firm regarding what lateral soil pressure to use for design of culverts, retaining walls, junction boxes, and all sorts of other buried structures.  Take culverts, for instance:  If designing to the AASHTO standard, we can get a geotech report or we can simply use the code-dictated 30 pcf or 60 pcf equivalent fluid weight (depending on the load case) to determine the lateral pressure.  TxDOT, in developing their culvert standards, used 40 pcf for the equivalent fluid weight.  However, when we get a geotech report for a project, we typically get an equivalent fluid weight of 85 - 110 pcf for calculating the at-rest pressure.

So, you see our problem.  If you take the "show me the bodies" approach, the TxDOT values are adequate, since there are hundreds of miles of TxDOT standard culverts all over the state, and there probably isn't one of them that has failed due to excessive lateral soil pressure.  But in Texas we are considered negligent by the PE Board if we design a foundation or a buried structure without a geotech report.  So, we dutifully go get our geotech report, find out that the soil at this site "really" exerts 100 pcf of equivalent fluid weight, and design our culvert accordingly.  We're then caught in the difficult position of having to explain why our culvert looks like a bomb shelter.  This is especially troublesome when the client is TxDOT, and we have to try to explain why we can't use their own standards.

I'm wondering if any of you have faced this, and how you have handled it.  What values do you typically use for lateral soil pressure on these types of projects?  How would you approach our dilemma?


-- Joel

Joel Adair, PE
Halff Associates, Inc.
E-mail: jadair(--nospam--at)