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Are you cantilevering the column from the top of the wall for any
structural purpose?  In otherwords, is the column going to be laterally
loaded and you want that lateral load to go down and into the wall?  If
so, is the load perpendicular to the wall or parallel?

As others have pointed out, you need to be careful of the potential
lateral deflection of the tube column.  If the wall is strictly there as
cladding and you are just trying to "bury" the tube in the wall (i.e. hide
it), then you need to make sure that the column has room to move relative
to the wall so that as the structure laterally moves, the column does not
inadvertantly load the CMU wall and cause cracking.  If the wall is to be
a structural element that is meant to take load from the column, then you
need to make sure that you are not loading the wall in such a way that it
cannot accomidate the load without cracking (i.e. restrict the lateral
deflection to L/600).

I would have to agree with some of the others that you might be better off
stopping the wall at the tube with a little gap (an inch or so) and then
restarting the wall on the otherside of the tube.  Then fill the gap
between the tube and wall with some compressible fill that will allow some
movement.  The exception would be if you are initially trying to transfer
some load from the tube to the wall.


Ypsilanti, MI

On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Dennis Pradere wrote:

> Hello all,
> I am designing a TS column to cantilever from the top of a cmu wall.  The column will be embedded in a cmu vertical cell down to the foundation where it will be attached with a baseplate.  A TS5x5 (which I need for my design) should fit into the cell of an 8" cmu block but that doesn't leave much room for grout around the column.
> Also, for ease of construction, I am thinking of allowing the mason to build the wall around the column without a face shell and then attaching the face shell later.
> I would be interested in anybody's experiences with each of the above and their recommendations.
> Thanks,
> -Dennis Pradere
> MLA Engineering
> Seattle, Washington

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