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There has been very good suggestions on this topic which is very interesting to note.  I very much agree with the point of Mr. Jeff that it is tough to bid on something that is not defined.  But is there one architect who defines the entire building and then goes to structural engineers for a bid and even if they are defined conceptually the architects point of view is generally "architects make changes which bring out the best in the building but SE's make changes which boost the cost of construction". 
On a recent project a webjoist connection to the beam had to be revised due to conflict with a brace at that location.  The fix was simple - add a seated connection.  The change order for that single connection now shows 210 pieces of metals and 60hours of labor!!!  And guess who is being blamed??? 
Well, the intent of the posting was to see how engineers bid on new projects and it has been interesting to see various methods.  Generally, we work it a few different ways to arrive at a number:
1. % of construction and % of architect
2. based on square foot.
3. based on number of drawings - $2000 to $4000 per sheet
4. breakdown on tasks.
5. Some realistic numbers from the owners point of view
It is always good to be armed with a percentage figure since that is the key to the owner/architect.  I dont think just by doing it on a single method would be justifiable.
Aswin Rangaswamy, P.E.
SHA Coffman Engineers
----- Original Message -----
From: Hari A
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:20 PM
Subject: SE Fees for Building

There are some rule of thumbs for estimating the fees for structural engineering of buildings.  I am interested in how other engineers bid on projects especially new construction.  I understand the Architects generally charge about 10% for the architecture based on the total cost of construction.
Your input is appreciated.