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RE: Philosophy of School Design - Was: Long Beach CA -- March 10 , 1933
- To: "'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'" <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
- Subject: RE: Philosophy of School Design - Was: Long Beach CA -- March 10 , 1933
- From: "Silva John (sj)" <Silva(--nospam--at)hilti.com>
- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:01:13 -0600
Another thought or two, the day after:
agree with Nels and Frank that mandatory school attendance was/is the
primary motivator for increased standards for public schools. Mark notes
that this logic does not seem to be uniformly applied at the college
lateral force levels do not automatically translate into better buildings.
Fundamentally sound structural configurations, good detailing and on-site
QC count for a lot more in my book. Much of this cannot be codified.
Probably preaching to the choir here.
Degenkolb taught me to learn from observations of earthquake damage.
Learning from the absence of damage, (see Mark Gilligan's post), is
a little less straightforward, since we have such a difficult time
assessing the level of ground motion at any given site. I would say that
good performance is usually relevant when viewed over a larger statistical
population, i.e., a class of building may perform well when subjected to
strong ground motion, whereas poor performance is more suitable for review
on a structure by structure basis.
John Silva, SE
Sent: Monday, March
10, 2003 16:55
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Subject: Re: Philosophy of School
Design - Was: Long Beach CA -- March 10, 1933
I agree with Bill Cain's email comments concerning the success of the Field
What are you missing? You stated that you had children. Unless they
go to private schools or are home taught, it is my understanding that
children in California are required to go to the K-12 public school in their
school district. If the children are required by State law to attend the
public school in their school district with a few exceptions, then the
students deserve a higher level of protection because of the enforced
The public schools are designed using a process that includes slightly higher
design standards, approval by the State of the construction documents that have
been reviewed by experienced State structural engineers, and observation of the
construction by the design professional as well as State structural engineers,
including written certification by all the design professionals that the
construction is in substantial compliance with the construction
documents. Violation of any the provisions of the Field Act are
considered a FELONY.
What is the basis for your statement that an office building you designed and
was approved by the local building department with the issuance of a building
permit would kill 100's of people just because you used a lower factor of
safety in the design of the office building as compared with a public school?
I am looking forward to your reply.
Frank E. McClure March 10, 2003
California S. E. 649
Former member of the Division of the State Architect (DSA) Advisory Board.