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Roger,

My BSCE requirement was 128 credits and that is still the requirement at
Michigan.  Having said that, I do know that many schools have lessened the
required credit hours.  But, rather than making up for that by requiring a
masters degree, as many would like, I would argue that we should be
getting schools (and ABET) to increase the requirements of the
undergraduate program if necessary.  Of course, this is not an easy
proposition as it will require getting states to kick back more fund to
state schools (meaning the need for more taxes) or higher tuition.  It
also means having to get into the messy political process of ABET and
state politics.  It is ultimately easier to just say "Let's leave the mess
that we have and add on a requirement for graduate school".  Of course,
ASCE National will have to come into the various states to get state
legislatures to make the changes to the PE laws, at which point they will
likey be fighting against their local sections and branches in many
places (EVERY branch/section in Michigan and our district [I believe] are
on record as being opposed to the first professional degree push).

HTH,

Scott
Ypsilanti, MI


On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Roger Turk wrote:

> Ed Tornberg wrote:
>
> . > Right after graduation I went straight to New Zealand for two years,
> . > working at a top-notch consulting firm.  My colleagues who spent 4 years
> . > at that country's technical schools were noticeably better than American
> . > counterparts.  Why?  More focus on structural and less on liberal arts.
> . > They weren't smarter, just more focused.
>
> While I don't have the statistics at hand, I would venture that the number of
> public school classroom hours spent in a non-USA country by far surpasses the
> number of classroom hours spent in a USA public school.  We have teacher
> preparation days, holidays, summer vacation, etc.  Everybody wants time off.
>
> When I was attending college, the graduation requirements for Civil
> Engineering students was 141 semester hours; for other colleges it was 120
> semester hours.  The playing field has been leveled and the CE requirement is
> now 120 semester hours.  Is this "dumbing down" or not?  What is not being
> taught in those 21 semester hours that have been cut?
>
> BTW, in those 141 semester hours, the curriculum allotted 3 semester hours to
> "humanistic-socialistic electives," the only electives in the 4-year CE
> curriculum.
>
> It seems that "teach less," "expect more," is a contradiction.
>
> The philosophy of children "learning at their own pace" is flawed, as most
> children just want to play.  Also, children don't know what they need to
> know.
>
> A. Roger Turk, P.E.(Structural)
> Tucson, Arizona
>
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