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I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. We have considered some of the suggestions you have made. Additionally, we have surveyed engineers to determine preferences of the majority. The results and feedback were interesting and has guided us in how we offer what we offer.


Less than 10 percent of the respondents preferred to attend a weekend seminar. More than 75 percent indicated they would prefer to attend courses that start at mid-day and continue into the evening. There was significant agreement with your point that all-day scheduling should be avoided when possible.


We have added online continuing education capability to provide lower-cost presentation of AISC seminars that are no longer offered in person. For example, the connection design seminar we offered up until about two years ago is now accessible electronically at We charge less for it because the experience is just not the same when you're not there in person and able to interact with the speaker. On the plus side, though, you can take it at 2 am in your PJs if that is what you want to do.


Among employers -- and some employees -- there is not general recognition that "sharpening the axe" is a necessary activity for maintaining a healthy business. I sympathize with you that schedule demands and employer permissions do not always allow attendance at seminars. For my part, I try to practice what I preach. I insist (and schedule work time for) my employees to take seminars that I agree will help them to better do their jobs. I strongly believe this is the only way to stay current and growing in productivity and worth. Note that I do not approve of high-cost and low-benefit seminars, which seem to be very common these days.


Hopefully this does not sound defensive: nobody provides seminars of higher quality and lower cost per hour than AISC. Many providers are significantly higher in cost and very suspect on the associated content. I won't name names. There are also many providers that are similar in cost and quality, like Bob Shaw's excellent seminars.


I do recognize that SEAOC, SEAOI and other similar organizations sometimes offer shorter and cheaper seminarsI'm involved in the planning for some of these seminars for SEAOI and know that there are only two ways an SEA can offer seminars cheaper: either they are using an old AISC, ACI or similar program "for free" or the speaker they are using does not value his or her time enough to charge appropriately for the service they are providing. Most engineers have this problem. Either way, it's hard to justify the comparison.


Again, I thank you for your feedback and hope that we can continue to find ways to meet your needs for technical information. I'd be interested in any further feedback, either privately or to the whole list.





-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Bryson [mailto:mbryson(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:55 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Seminars


Just a small bit of personal feedback on these seminars that AISC, ACI, and others puts out:


1)       they tend to be offered during the weekday during business hours when I am extremely busy and cannot always afford or be given permission to take time off from work (notwithstanding that some engineers abhor to give up any part of their weekend)

2)       they can be prohibitively expensive, two hundred to four hundred dollars or more, as I may not be always able to have my company sponsor me


I think these apply commonly also to others especially younger engineers. This is too bad because it is probably younger engineers that would benefit a great deal from them. I get lots of newsletters and flyers for seminars that sound interesting but I am always disappointed to note the time and cost that rules them out for me. The rare seminars that I have somehow managed to attend have been very good, for the most part.


I think the SEAOC seminars are probably the most reasonable in terms of the times they have them (evenings or weekends) and the cost is usually relatively low that I don’t mind paying out of my own pocket.






-----Original Message-----
From: Carter, Charlie [mailto:carter(--nospam--at)]
Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:34 AM
To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)'
Subject: RE: Field Fixes


While we're on the subject of field fixes, AISC has a seminar that addresses many of the most common ones, including recommendations for how to prevent the actual problems from occuring in the future.. I've pasted in the description below. For more information, go to this link:,_Fabrication_and_Erection_-_Solutions_and_Prevention/Common_Problems_in_Design,_Fabrication_and_Erection_-_Solutions_and_Prevention.htm


If that link doesn't work, go to click on "training and education", then "seminars and workshops", then New Seminar for Fall 2003!   "Common Problems in Design, Fabrication and Erection - Solutions and Prevention"





Common Problems in Design, Fabrication and Erection - Solutions and Prevention

by James M. Fisher of Computerized Structural Design and Lawrence A. Kloiber of LeJeune Steel


The purpose of the seminar is to discuss design, fabrication, and construction problems that have occurred on structural steel projects.  Solutions to recurring problems, and suggestions to prevent problems from occurring will be presented.

Topics include design issues such as material specifications, connection design requirements, use of standard details, sizing material for constructability, use of mill reports, perimeter details for tilt-up and pre-cast concrete walls, design procedures for fast track construction, electronic data transfer and shop drawing approval procedures.

·         Shop fabrication problems include misplaced holes; shop splicing, camber requirements, fabrication tolerances, quality control procedures, cleaning and painting.

·         Field problems include footing misplacement, anchor rod misplacement, anchor rod length errors, camber and floor levelness, hole alignment, columns not plumb, columns too short or too long, column splices, bolt installation and inspection, welding and weld inspection, RTU mislocation, crane rail location, spandrel beam location problems, shear connector installation, paint problems, steel joists too long or too short, joist reinforcing, bridging interference, deck openings, and many more.

·         Included will be a discussion of the proper procedures and documentation needed to verify that the revision complies with design requirements and has been properly made and inspected.  The attendee should leave the seminar better equipped to solve and prevent errors in his or her structural design.