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Not to belabor the point since I figure your are out enjoying the nice
weather but...I have a slight issue with your example.

Please explain to me how someone who designs "complex steel" projects
during the day (presumambly in a high seismic zone since your mention a SE
license) would fail to realize the importance of connection details and a
good load path from roof to foundation.  Are you implying that such things
are NOT important in complex steel projects?  I would doubt it.  Thus,
this theoretical SE that designs complex steel projects during the day
knows full well the importance of such things and would realize the same
would apply for a wood structure.  Or said SE doesn't realize it for wood
cause he/she also doesn't realize it for his/her steel projects and has
just copied other people's work at the large A/E firm without really
understanding, which would mean that said SE is NOT competent and make me
wonder how he/she passed the California SE exam.  Or said SE understands
such items importance for both steel and woods design, but just figures
"ah, it is just a wood residential is not important enought
to worry about such things" which case, he/she is not what I would
call ethical.

The point is that things like importance of ductile detailing,
connections, and proper load paths are basically indepentent of the
structural material.  The difference is how to achieve those things in the
different materials...that is where someone not familiar with a particular
material can get tripped up.

Regardless, you point is still received...


Ypsilanti, MI

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Bill Allen wrote:

> With regards to legislating competency, I agree that's similar to
> legislating morality. Can't be done. But that doesn't mean negligence
> can't be prosecuted after the fact. Consider this example. Suppose I
> went to a fine university, got good grades, then went immediately to
> work for a large firm designing steel structures. I pass the P.E. exam
> the first time, and the S.E. exam the first time. Suppose I'm approached
> by an architect who needs some plans of a residence stamped and signed.
> The architect says he is going to do the structural drafting, but he
> needs beam sizes, foundation sizes, shear walls and hold downs. Timber
> seems simple enough to me. After all, I've read Breyer's book. Pretty
> straight forward. Much simpler than the complicated projects I do during
> the day. No problem. Fifteen hundred bucks for some simple wood design?
> You've got to be kidding. Cha-Ching! I'll do that on my kitchen table.
> Of course, I don't realize the most important part of wood design is the
> connections and I fail to provide a load path from roof to foundation
> (straps, etc.). If something goes wrong with this structure and I end up
> in court, you probably don't think I'm negligent but I do!

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