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I believe you are correct.  Washington counts advanced degree(s) as one year of experience, hence a neighbor in my office and I only needed 3 years of "real world" experience to sit for the Washington Exam (or one more year than California).  The two year difference certainly helps to explain why some offices encourage engineers to sit for the CA-CE.

Interestingly enough, some states will allow up to two advanced degrees to count toward 2 years of experience.  Washington only gives credit for 1 year regardless of the number of advanced degrees.  I didn't like this interpretation a few years ago, but have not thought a lot about it since then.... Go figure.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Maxwell [mailto:smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 13:33
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: RE: CA PE with regards to WA PE


Tom:

I figured it would not be a problem...but it still could be for other
states.

Isn't it a difference of two years though?  I thought CA only required 2
years of experience to get your PE, while every other state including WA
requires 4 years.

Regards,

Scott
Ypsilanti, MI


On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Tom Skaggs wrote:

> It's not uncommon in Washington for engineers to take the PE exam in California.  California requires one less year of experience.  When the required experience is met, the engineer can apply for reciprocity with the Washington board.
>
> Tom Skaggs
> Tacoma, WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Maxwell [mailto:smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 13:16
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: Re: CA PE with regards to WA PE
>
>
> Seth,
>
> The one thing to be at least a little careful is that some state are REAL
> sticklers about getting the WHOLE 4 years before you take the PE exam.  I
> remeber someone telling about an instance where they got their license in
> Minnesota.  The state board let them take the exam with something like 3
> years 10 months.  They passed and got their PE license.  Some 10+ years
> later, this person needed to get their license by reciprocity in North
> Dakota (if I recall correctly), but ND said that this person had to
> re-take the PE exam because they did not have the FULL four years of
> experience when they took it the first time.
>
> So, if you run into a state licensing board that thinks along those lines,
> then taking the PE exam in CA could cause some problems if want
> reciprocity.  I would suspect that in most cases it would not be a problem
> once you did have your 4 years of experience, but I would likely play it
> safe.  While the PE exam is not too terribly difficult, I personally would
> rather not have to take it again.
>
> As to your question, I don't really know.  I would assume that you just go
> back and take the particular exam that you failed.  This would make sense
> as I doubt they will make me take the PE exam again along with the
> surveying and seismic exam when I apply.
>
> As to PE review courses, also look to your local NSPE chapters and SEAW.
> They might offer PE review courses.  I am pretty sure that SEAW offers
> review courses for the Struct exams for the SE license.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
> Ypsilanti, MI
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Seth W. Cutler wrote:
>
> > That does bring up an interesting question.  I don't think you can sit for
> > the CA structural without the 5 hr add'l exam.  Even if you do take the
> > Struct. II and Struct. III up here in WA I think you still have to take the
> > surveying portion down in CA to get commity/reciprocity.  Maybe someone
> > else has that info.
> >
> > Now, on my original question, I was asking if you could pass the CA Civil
> > PE in parts.  Between the NCEES exam and the add'l tests.  I'm trying to
> > figure out my risk in going down to CA to take the exam and pass the NCEES
> > exam but don't pass the surveying in particular.  Would I have to fly back
> > to take just the serveying portion or all of it.  Or could I just wait till
> > I was qualified in WA and submit my score from the NCEES exam I took in CA.
> >
> > Thank you, Tom and Jack for your insight so far.  I've been thinking about
> > this on and off for a year now and I'm finally down to making a decision in
> > the next month.
> >
> > If any of you have heard, does anyone besides ASCE offer review courses for
> > Civil PE?  Preferably up here in WA.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Seth
> >
> > At 11:59 AM 11/7/2003, you wrote:
> > >Seth: If you can sit for the civil in WA next October, you can sit for the
> > >CA civil this spring (if they still offer it twice a year). This way you
> > >can hit your boss up for a raise sooner.  I have both WA and CA structural
> > >licenses.  Most of my work is out of state.  The CA license is accepted
> > >most places, the WA is not so recognized.  The main issue should be can
> > >you sit for the CA structural with a WA civil.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <mailto:seth(--nospam--at)rlmorrisonengr.com>Seth W. Cutler
> > >To: <mailto:seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > >Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 11:06 AM
> > >Subject: CA PE with regards to WA PE
> > >
> > >ok, after all this talk about the license exams I have a question.  I'm
> > >currently an EIT up here in WA and will qualify to sit up here for my PE
> > >next October.  I have been debating whether I should take the CA PE in
> > >April and then get comity or equiv. up here in WA.
> > >
> > >One issue that came up is to get the CA Civil PE license I would have to
> > >take the NCEES 8-hour Civil PE exam plus the addional 5 hrs for
> > >seismic/surveying.  In WA I would only need to take the NCEES 8-hour Civil
> > >PE exam.
> > >
> > >Is the CA Civil PE license Pass/Fail including the seismic/surveying?  Is
> > >it possilbe to pass the NCEES exam and not the following exams.  Could I
> > >then take the results from the NCEES exam and use that to get my WA PE license?
> > >
> > >Just trying to look at all the angles.  One concern I have up here is that
> > >they keep changing the exam requirments up here in WA and I'm getting sick
> > >of the changes.  I'm also concerned they're going to change to the IBC for
> > >code stuff instead of the UBC which would really annoy me.  Or if the CA
> > >one switches to NFPA.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Seth
> >
>
>
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