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Excellent, Gail – you see the light behind the H-1B issues. Make the work undesirable and at low wages. This justifies the government requirements to satisfy application for H-1B employees and there is no shortage of H-1B staff.

You got the nail on the head – congratulations. I only hope the rest of the community does not think you are nuts or a zealot or one of us bigots.


Now the work needs to start. We need to organize committees within our own profession to establish working relationships between firms where everyone may benefit. It won’t yield the same profit margins on all jobs that we want and we may be working for another firm at a percentage of what we advertise our rates, but it does insure consistent work between firms who are known to produce good work.


Look, this is not an easy solution – it requires rules and it requires work ethics, but it certainly can be done.


So who is willing to take a lead and will SEA support it. If SEA takes a stand on protecting jobs for engineers in the US by establishing working relationship between firms, I’ll rejoin and pay dues.


Dennis S. Wish, PE


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Monday, November 10, 2003 5:11 PM
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Just some opinions - I can only speak for the DC area,  but structural engineers tend to earn must less than other "professional occupations."


Within the structural engineering industry,  there are certain firms that are known for paying very low wages, or not providing very good benefits,  or not providing very good training, or having pretty undesirable working conditions.


Although there are certainly exceptions, it is generally these firms that have to resort to H-1B hiring. Since their wages and benefits (and office cleaning expenses) are lower than other firms, they are often able to underbid other firms, at least on the surface. 


I can look at the databases, and knowing what certain offices are like,  I know why they need to hire H-!B personnel. You can create a shortage for any kind of worker, simply by making the work undesirable in some way. 


None of the various databases I have seen are very complete (or up to date), but they do point out the trends. 



Gail Kelley