I don’t agree with you on this one.
First, the H-1b cap has been extinguished and no longer exists. It was to be
doubled, but in the current year, the limit was not reached – yet the
database does not negate the existence of Structural Engineers hired with H-1b
contracts through 2004.
An H-1b worker can apply for permanent status
once he arrives in the United States. Essentially, he does jump over the quotas and he does this by
paying for legal representation. The trick is that he must obtain permanent
residency (green-card) before his contract gives up and his employer may apply
for extensions up to, I believe it has been increased, six years. This is
generally within the time it takes to obtain approval of permanent status.
Outsourcing when work is available in the
United States my serve companies who seek labor at lower rates but threaten
workers wages in this country. Gail Kelley (GSKWY(--nospam--at)aol.com)
said it very eloquently as has the foresight to see what would happen if
our rates were lowered in this country to compete against others. Our debtors would
not dismiss or lower our debt as Roosevelt devaluated the dollar in the mid 1940’s). We would either
default or be working multiple jobs (and those being hands on positions that
can’t be outsourced).
There are problems with the transfer of
goods back and forth between companies that produce products in other nations.
However, they must find their niche as opening a MacDonald’s or Burger
King only perpetuates the global profits of that company for its shareholders.
It does nothing for new start-ups that must compete but can’t handle the
advertising budges. The same is true of Global Entertainment copyrights. Schwarzenegger
is earning residuals in foreign markets wherever his films are shown.
Ultimately these siphons off any available financial resources back to the
resource holder and in some cases the government (in taxes).
David Fisher signs his posts with the name
of a company in the Grand Cayman Island which are known tax shelters that can’t be touched by the United States. I don’t know his
reason for this, but if David is avoiding paying taxes in the United States (and I am not suggesting
he is) I would be against this as it depletes the cost of government and
increases our deficit.
Unlike the man you met from India, there are no job gains
in the United States when positions are outsourced. While his acquaintance may not be
able to compete with McDonalds or Burger King, these companies offer jobs to
those in India willing to work there. They don’t send Americans to do more
than get the business off the ground and then they return to the states to let
the businesses excel on their own.
From: Shafat Qazi
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003
Subject: Re: SICK PROFESSION
Well said! I have been reading this thread. Although it seems to change
direction from "sending work overseas" to "Hiring foreign
workers (H-1B)". These are two different issues and mixing them in one
thread is confusing the issue.
Recently I was in India and met a business man on my plane ride. He owned a
chain of Indian fast food restaurants and was complaining about Indian
government allowing foreign business such as McDonald and Burger King to do
business in India. This person ended up loosing most of his restaurants because
he couldn't keep up with the competition. The point is, we are all complaining
and trying to adjust to this new global economy.
Sending work to foreign countries should be left up to the business man not
regulated by governments. That is what capitalism is all about. How many of us
have purchased clothes, computers etc. based on where they were manufactured?
The fact is we all look for the best deal in every aspect of our life. So lets
stop complaining about companies sending work to foreign countries. Rather
spend that time marketing our services and products to countries like Russia,
China, India, Malaysia. There are a lot of people there you know, and we all
could make a lot of money.
H1-B is altogether a different issue. Here are some facts that you must know:
1. There is a cap to the number of foreign workers that can come to US. The
current cap is 65,000 per year.
2. A H1-B worker does not become a permanent resident automatically and does
not jump ahead of others. There is a separate cap for green cards. Those caps
are per country and issued based on date applied.
Thats is my take on it.
At 11/10/2003 04:47 PM, you wrote:
Thanks for the added perspective that was also going through my head, but
lacked the courage to articulate it.
I would add another perspective...
And how many foreign workers can get a job in their own country because
there are American's their in those jobs? How many foreign companies lose
work in their own country to U.S. companies?
Protectionism is all fine and dandy, but if we fully "implement" it,
what stops other countries from do the same? What would happen to a lot
of the products that are sold outside of the US? What would happen to
those American's who are employed about outside the US?
Like it or not, we are in a global economy. There will be US workers who
lose jobs on our own soil due to foreign workers. There will be US
workers who lose jobs due to companies shipping them overseas. But,
hopefully there will be just as many Americans who get work overseas or
get jobs here when companies send jobs here. Does this mean that
everything is on the "up and up" and that we can just sit back and
beer (or a caffience free Coke in my case)? Nope. There will be
and corruption that will need to be watched for and dealt with.
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Roger Turk wrote:
> I have started to respond to H1b threads on several occasions, but for one
> reason or another decided not to send the response.
> Do we forget that this is a nation of immigrants? All of us,
> Native Americans, came from somewhere else. Maybe our ancestors came
> they were explorers; maybe they came because this was a land of
> maybe they came because they were oppressed in their native country.
> I am a second generation American. My grandparents came to this
> the late 1800's from Lithuania, Poland and Germany for the same reasons
> people before and after have come here. I welcome people who are
> enough (or oppressed enough) to come to a country whose language is
> and whose customs are strange to make a new life for themselves, their
> family, and particularly their children.
> No matter how skilled or learned our new immigrants may have been in their
> country of origin, they have to start anew here. Many have had to
> menial jobs until they learned the language, customs or procedures that
> all too familiar to them in their native county. They are willing to
> for low wages because of the opportunities that await them.
> How can we forget that we, who have been born here, have spent more than
> years learning the English language, yet many of us still are not
> in expressing ourselves, cannot spell correctly, use incorrect words and
> cannot punctuate or capitalize correctly. Why do we fault people who
> only been here a few years for making what may be literal translations
> I, for one, welcome these newcomers to the USA, the land of opportunity,
> wish them the greatest success as many of those who have preceded them
> A. Roger Turk, P.E.(Structural)
> Tucson, Arizona
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