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Re: Paul Fratessa: GOOD RIDDANCE

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You know Bill, I was just about to start torching......

Pretty sick when someone else uses your email alias to write inflammatory
bullshit while hiding their true identity.

On your second post I reviewed the previous post and yes, your traditional
signature lines are not there.  Also the from properties indicates
tjcse(--nospam--at)hotmail.com rather than your traditional email address.

As a final note.  To tjcse(--nospam--at)hotmail.com

You are a pathetic excuse for a human being who is attacking the memory of
someone I have known and respected for years, and trying to do so by
incriminating an honest man with your own vile rhetoric. People like you are
small, insignificant, and beneath contempt.  The balance of what I have to
say is not fit for a public forum.



Paul Feather PE, SE
pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net
www.SE-Solutions.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Allen" <T.W.Allen(--nospam--at)cox.net>
To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
Cc: <seaint-ad(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: Paul Fratessa: GOOD RIDDANCE


> This is interesting.
>
> To all: I did not write this post.
>
> T. William (Bill) Allen, S.E. (CA #2607)
> V/F (949) 248-8588
> San Juan Capistrano, CA
> http://members.cox.net/ballense/
>
> :-----Original Message-----
> :From: Bill Allen [mailto:tjcse(--nospam--at)hotmail.com]
> :Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:51 PM
> :To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> :Cc: seaint-ad(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> :Subject: Paul Fratessa: GOOD RIDDANCE
> :
> :SICK PROFESSION?  Yes, indeed. But why? There is only whining on this
> list
> :server. The reasons are twofold: Code Confusion & Gatekeeping. A
> handful of
> :structural engineers are responsible, Fratessa being one of them.
> :
> :There is no reason why there is not one code without conflicts in it, a
> :code
> :with parts and embodied references that can be interpreted the same by
> any
> :engineer, building department, or lawyer not just those engineers who
> :profess to know it all and have the power to make decisions. Just look
> at
> :how silly it all is; UBC, CBC, IBC and now, guess what. Fratessa could
> have
> :used his tenure with the California Sesmic Safety Commission
> [1986-1995]
> :and
> :other opportunities to bring some coherence to the code, but instead
> made
> :it
> :worse. Ever tried to explain to a client how some design came about and
> why
> :they have to pay, pay and pay? No wonder we are a joke profession.
> :
> :And the SE exam [in California]. Not only was and is Fratessa a part of
> the
> :hoax [when he took the exam he was employed by the office that wrote
> it],
> :he
> :has perpetuated the situation with the excuse that if a CE is not in
> the
> :employ [or was, and has paid the necessary homage] of one or more of
> the
> :offices that write, check, and grade our home-grown exam each year
> he/she
> :does not deserve the ticket. Less than 100 civil engineers in
> California of
> :a population of 30,000,000 are qualified? Lurkers are certainly
> laughing at
> :the young exam candidates and their eager e-mails, especially those
> from
> :states that use an exam that is not available to insiders (and
> therefore
> :infinitely bettter), as we have in California. A cancer with no
> resolution
> :other than go to a national exam, which the employing inside traders
> will
> :never permit.
> :
> :Paul Fratessa may seem to have been benevolent to some ex-Cal Poly
> :students,
> :but to those who knew him he was a bigot, a pathological liar, and a
> crook.
> :
> :Regards.
> :
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