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- Subject: Re: Outsourcing - light commercial and high end residential
- From: "Pankaj Gupta" <3.sol(--nospam--at)spectranet.com>
- Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:23:18 +0530
Sorry Master Christopher,
I don’t know what came over me, and I apologize unconditionally for my behavior. I hope you will forgive me, as I know you are very kind hearted and always think good of us, in spite of us behaving like this sometimes. To prove further of my sincerity in my apologies, I have asked for forgiveness on each of the points raised by you to hammer in my imbecile head (here in black font)
This isn't a debate--unless parroting a lot of nonsense about
capitalism is debating. And unless by capitalism you mean concentration of
economic power in in the hands of a decreasing percentage of the world's
population. The use of cheap
outsourced labor has nothing to do with 'the advantage of all the citizens of
[our] country' and everything to do with buying low, selling high and ultimately
putting your competition out of business. That ought to be obvious from all the
screaming by outfits (like big steel) who preach 'free trade' when it comes to
selling high, and 'unfair dumping' when their customers get the chance to buy
low. So let's not get self-righteous about protectionism and free trade or giant
sucking sounds when there are real issues to resolve.
Whining about protectionism ignores the fundamental issue of
quality, assuming that cheap and quality are the same. Ignoring quality for the
low bid brought us counterfeit bolts and 'forged' pressure vessel flanges that
were actually cast and assembled with slugged welds. Laissez faire marketeering
works fine for cheap shoes--if they squeak or don't fit you lose $20 and learn
to shop elsewhere next time. With counterfeit bolts or ignorant designers
millions are at stake and there may not be a next time.
This comes hard for a tax-and-spend Democrat like myself, but it's obvious that there are a great many offshore 'consultants' who simply don't meet any reasonable standards of competence. I follow a number of engineering mailing lists and the tone of a great many posts from so-called senior engineers and designers tell me that many such offshore design offices clearly don't have the experience needed to meet US and European professional standards. Like the guy who dithered for days over a simple hoist becaause he couldn't draw a simple free body diagram. Or the questions about FEA of bolted joints by people who haven't a clue how a bolt works.
I have now started to realize Master that whatever you do is for our own good but we in our ignorance sometimes fail to understand that (same may be the case of you sending us Jack Daniels). This brings to my mind one incidence of a question posted by one of the other great Master Charlie Carter on July 14, 2003 on this great list, which was "Mixing bolt diameters in a shear connection would probably not work. How would the connection know how to send more load to the stronger bolts? This same idea would apply to any group of bolts sharing load equally.". To which I had in all my ignorance replied “The connection is a structure too, which deforms in proportion to it's stiffness. So, in a connection it is not possible for a smaller dia bolt to deform more than a larger dia bolt (which it will have to, if equal loads are transferred to both the bolts). So the deformation will be governed by the larger dia bolt, which in turn will be the mechanism thru which the larger load (either shear, or tension/compression, or a mix of both) will be transferred to the larger dia bolt. Please note that I am not commenting on any codal provisions, practicality, or feasibility of the situation, but theoretically speaking, there should be no problem with mixing different dia bolts in a single connection, as the bolts will take loads in proportion to their respective capacities.” I realize now that it was a tongue in cheek attempt on my part to show off that I can know more than the great Masters, I stand corrected now. Maybe it was the case of too much of Jack Daniels once again, or maybe on of my chimpanzee friends had offered me pot to smoke, that my mind was so hazy that I tried to answer back to a great Master. Please forgive me.
What I see are people who have been taught to run FEA and CAD software assuming that the software does the design and interprets the analysis. Couple this with technically illiterate US corporate management and it's pretty obvious why design jobs are moving offshore, and it's got nothing to do with all the high-sounding complaints about free markets and protectionism. It also has has nothing to do with intelligence or work ethic and everything to do with a complete lack of understanding of providing engineering services to US and European standards. (I realize many foreign-born subscribers probably consider this a slander. I mean no slander--write me off-list and I'll apologize or give you an ear full, as warranted, with examples.)
It is not we, Master, as we are
helpless. It is some other Masters like Bill Gates who have set up big offices
here, employing thousands of imbeciles like us for what they say software
development. I do not know, how we can do such complex work, but again we are so
ignorant of your ways. Then other Masters came and they want us to detail steel
& rebar, and now some are even asking us to design buildings in which you
great Masters live. Oh! What a folly? But I beg, Master, it is not we, but the
other Masters who are telling us to do such things. We are helpless, so I beg
you to stop these other Masters from expecting us to develop software and design
As I have said above in my submissions, these are too complex issues for me, and I trust you fully, Master, as I know that what you do for us is for our own good. I only pray that you would continue to be good hearted, and not annihilate us from this earth, like in your anger you have done to Saddam Hussein and Iraq. I promise, I will always behave myself, please forgive me and other chimpanzees like me for our occasional trespasses. I also would like to take this opportunity to ask my fellow chimpanzee Ashwin to also desist from taking too much of Jack Daniels, and thus using such foul language against our benevolent Masters.
Your humble servant
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