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I'm happy to say that I believe most folks still feel that way.  You have your reactionaries and your bubba's (Southern term) but most folks do feel that way.  It might be a bit hard to tell with the Christmas cheer around here.
As you are from Saudi Arabia I'll ask...does Islam celebrate a winter holiday?  I know about Ramadan in January.  Is that your version (I hesitate to use that term since it sounds disrespectful)?  What I mean is that Christianity has Christmas and Judaism has Hanukah.  Is Ramadan the Islamic version?  All three sprang from Abraham regardless of whether through Ishmael or Isaac and so I'm just curious.
I'm not trying to start a religious debate.  That's not appropriate for this board.  Just general curiosity about other belief systems.  Isn't that what we question here everyday, different belief systems? 

John C. Jones, PE
Barnett Associates
Pell City, AL
205-884-0099 (fax)

-----Original Message-----
From: Syed Faiz [mailto:sfaiz(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:38 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: RE: Secular Holiday Humor [Way Off Topic]

[Each group of people, every religion;

Every ethnicity, every hue.

Everyone everywhere ... even you.

So here is that gift, it's price beyond worth:

"May you and your loved ones enjoy peace on earth."]
A good one indeed!
I think this one reflects the true sentiments & thoughts of THE AMERICANS that we once knew about.
Merry Christmas (happy holidays) & many happy returns for the new year-2004. May Allah bless you all, amen!!

Syed Faiz Ahmad; MEngg, M.ASCE
Senior Structural Engineer
Saudi Oger Ltd
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

-----Original Message-----
From: Caldwell, Stan [mailto:scaldwell(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 1:51 AM
To: SEAINT Listserv
Subject: Secular Holiday Humor [Way Off Topic]

Twas the Night Before Christmas and Santa's a wreck ...

How to live in a world that's politically correct?

His workers no longer would answer to Elves,

"Vertically Challenged" they now were calling themselves.

And labor conditions at the north pole

Were alleged by the union to stifle the soul.

Four reindeer had vanished, without much propriety,

Released to the wilds by the Humane Society.

And equal employment had made it quite clear

That Santa had better not use just reindeer.

So Dancer and Donner, Comet and Cupid,

Were replaced by four pigs, and you know that looked stupid!

The runners had been removed from the sleigh;

The ruts had been termed dangerous by the E.P.A.

And people had started to call for the cops

When they heard sleigh noises on their rooftops.

Second hand smoke from his pipe had his workers quite frightened.

His fur trimmed red suit was called "Unenlightened".

And to show you the strangeness of life's ebbs and flows,

Rudolph was suing over unauthorized use of his nose

And had gone on Geraldo, in front of the nation,

Demanding millions in overdue compensation.

So half of the reindeer were gone, and his wife

Who suddenly said she'd had enough of this life,

Joined a self-help group, packed, and left in a whiz,

Demanding from now on her title was Ms.

And as for the gifts, why he'd ne'er had a notion

That making a choice would cause so much commotion

Nothing of leather, nothing of fur,

Which meant nothing for him, and nothing for her.

Nothing that might be construed to pollute,

Nothing to aim. Nothing to shoot.

Nothing that was glamorous or made any noise.

Nothing just for the girls. Or just for the boys.

Nothing that claimed to be gender specific.

Nothing that's warlike or non-pacific.

No candy or sweets, they were bad for the tooth

Nothing that seemed to embellish a truth.

And fairy tales, while not yet forbidden,

Were like Ken and Barbie, better off hidden.

For they raised the hackles of those psychological

Who claimed the only good gift was one ecological

No baseball, no football, someone could get hurt

Besides, playing sports exposes kids to dirt.

Dolls were said to be sexist and should be passé

And Nintendo could rot your poor brain away.

So Santa just stood there, disheveled, perplexed

He just could not figure out what to do next

He tried to be merry, tried to be gay,

But you've got to be careful with that word today.

His sack was quite empty, limp to the ground

Nothing fully acceptable was to be found.

Something special was needed, a gift that he might

Give to all without angering the left or the right.

A gift that would satisfy, with no indecision,

Each group of people, every religion;

Every ethnicity, every hue.

Everyone everywhere ... even you.

So here is that gift, it's price beyond worth:

"May you and your loved ones enjoy peace on earth."