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Well said, also keep in mind, when surveys in Europe put the US as a leading
country for exporting and producing terrorism in the world, then we're doing
something wrong, may be I wouldn't take that survey too seriously if it was
done in Iraq. we need to get rid of the "good guy bad guy" mentality and
start looking at real issues and causes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Udall, Jeffrey D [mailto:JDUdall(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 11:07 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: RE: Philosophical Differences

People dancing in the streets after an earthquake in another country
generally reflects poor individual character.  However, it is representative
of the widespread hatred of the American culture and the American foreign
policy machine that threatens their land and their religion for the sake of
our obsession with consuming energy, ie. oil.  The ideals of democracy and
civil rights and the American dream do not extend beyond the borders of the
country.  But the greenback and the all mighty military does.  

Right or wrong, terrorists are furious about something.  Palestinians want
their land back.  Chechen's don't want to be ruled by the Russian's.  What
is Al Qaeda's message?  I can't imagine they'd take a 747 and slam it into a
highrise because it seems like a good thing to do. What is it that has
pissed them off about American foreign policy?

Was there terrorists in Iraq?  No.  Was there WMD? Seems not.  Saddam has
something that Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz cannot afford for the public to know.
A nuclear weapon with a "Made in USA" sticker on the side perhaps? We know
that Iraq was given all kinds of technology to fight the Iranians with.
Russia, France, Germany and a host of others built up the Iraqi war machine
to fight the Iranians, including chemical weapons.  Then after Saddam
started using the stuff in villages that were occupied by the Iranian army
and it made it on camera (by the Iraqi's that invited the media in to see
it) the Americans wanted to stop shipments of the chemicals.  However, the
American farmers lobby protested stopping the chemical shipments because
much of the material was generated by agricultural products.  So the
administration agreed and shipments did not stop.  Can't jeoporadize the
lifestyle of the American farmer for the sake of some villages in the middle
east now can we! 

Perhaps "good will in common" could be shown by giving the people at
Guantanamo Bay a fair trail. 

"bad apple" = George W. 

Just a thought.. 

> I agree with Bill and Jason.  The west will respond to this tragedy in a 
> humanitarian sympathetic manner - as they should. However, the people of 
> Islam need to take a look at their attitude regarding people of other 
> faiths and pour shame upon those among them who would purposely target 
> and terrorize innocent civilians. 
> ag 

In fact, many of them DO--but not enough. 

I personally think there has been a sea-change among many of the peoples of 
the Middle East who follow Islam. But we're going to have to see if they can

match deeds with words, such as the words of the Sa-adi poem posted earlier.

Most people of faith share a great deal of good-will in common--but it only 
takes a few determined "bad apples" to spoil it for all. 

But the words of Sa-adi just leapt out at me when the OP put them out there.

What a wonderful sentiment--and how different from what you mostly hear 
these days coming from places like Iran. 

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