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# RE: ASD Load combinations (was UBC Section 1512.4 Equation 12-17

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• Subject: RE: ASD Load combinations (was UBC Section 1512.4 Equation 12-17
• From: "Ben Yousefi" <Ben-Yousefi(--nospam--at)ci.santa-monica.ca.us>
• Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:19:18 -0700

Bill

Excellent point. I was just looking at the two load combinations in the IBC. And, noticed some discrepancies that seem very odd. So, I contacted my guru, Dr. Ghosh to seek his input. The following is his response (I hope he doesn't mind that I am posting here):

Q: In the 2000 IBC load combinations for ASD, the first one has 0.6D + 0.7 E and also prohibits using the additional increase allowed by material standards. The second one has 0.9D + E/1.4, which seems more liberal since you can use more of the dead load to resist overturning, and also allows the 1/3 increase. Am I missing something? Why would anyone use the first one?

A: I noticed the same thing.  I do not believe you are missing anything.  It doesn't make sense.  I believe the reason why things are the way they are is that the alternate basic load combinations, taken from the UBC, remain what they were in the UBC, except for the addition of the omega factor.  The basic load combinations on the other hand, have evolved within ASCE 7.  SEAOC had modified the basic ASD load combinations of ASCE 7-95 to make them somewhat comparable to the alternate basic combinations.  However, the basic ASD load combinations changed drastically in ASCE 7-98.  That's when 0.6D came in, reflecting (I believe) the factor of safety of 1.5 that was often required in checking stability against sliding and overturning.  IBC simply adopted the ASCE 7 load combinations.  at this point the two sets of ASD load combinations are farther apart than ever before.  I agree with you - anyone who catches on will be using the alternate basic load combinations, unless he or she is a real believer in ASCE 7.

Ben Yousefi, SE
Santa Monica, CA

>>> T.W.Allen(--nospam--at)cox.net 05/20/04 02:41PM >>>
Ben -

That's for the alternative basic load combinations (and what I'm used to),
but for the basic load combinations I see that (gulp), roof live load is
actually combined with wind or seismic (see 12-11). All this w/o 1/3
increase!

Sheesh!

This brings me to another question. I know there might be building codes in
the world other than the 1997 UBC which may not have the alternative basic
load combinations, but are there any situations where one would use the
Just a quick glance, it doesn't appear that, if one has a choice, this a
very difficult decision.

Thanks,

T. William (Bill) Allen, S.E. (CA #2607)
ALLEN DESIGNS (http://www.AllenDesigns.com)
San Juan Capistrano, CA

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