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# Re: 2001 NDS nail penetration

• To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
• Subject: Re: 2001 NDS nail penetration
• From: "Bruce Pooley" <bdpooley(--nospam--at)comcast.net>
• Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:03:05 -0600

```Bill,

The NDS 2001, Table 11N shows 118 for a 10d for DF-L. It assumes that the
nail penetrates more than 10d since the side member is only 1 inch thick.

When the side member is 1-3/4 inch thick, the table value is 118, however
footnote 4 applies to the 10d nail and the value is adjusted by footnote 3
that states that the table value is multiplied by p/10d.

This is based on nailing through the side member into the main member.
Footnote 2 requires that the nail penetration in the main member equal 10d.

Bruce Pooley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Allen" <T.W.Allen(--nospam--at)cox.net>
To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: 2001 NDS nail penetration

Nels -

How 'bout the easy way:

I've got the 1997 NDS and, as I said, table 12.3 shows a maximum capacity of
118 lbs. This is for a 1" side member.

What is the listed (tabulated) capacity of a 10d using DF-L in the 2001 NDS?

I'm just trying to compare "apples and apples". We can delve into the Yield
Limit Equations at a later date (when we both have more time).

T. William (Bill) Allen, S.E. (CA #2607)
ALLEN DESIGNS (http://www.AllenDesigns.com)
San Juan Capistrano, CA

:-----Original Message-----
:From: Nels Roselund, SE [mailto:njineer(--nospam--at)att.net]
:Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:41 PM
:To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
:Subject: Re: 2001 NDS nail penetration
:
:Bill,
:
:NDS are reduced.  I started out to make the calculations my self based on
:the Yield Limit Equations of the NDS.  First I found that I can't find my
:'97 NDS -- I'm using the 2001 edition now.  Then I found that the values I
:calculated do not match the NDS.  That may mean that the values are
:reduced,
:but it may also mean that I've made an error in my work.  First I need to
:make sure that I've made the calcualtions correctly, so I have to trouble
:shoot my mathcad calc.  I've run out of time to fiddle with this right now.
:
:I'm back to my old complaint that the NDS equations are not intuitive --
:there is no way that I can see to be able to look for errors in the
:formulas
:I've entered by asking, "does this make sense?"  The Yield Mode Equations
:aren't based on common sense as far as I can tell -- I guess they are
:empirical.
:
:Buddy Showalter -- do you have the answer?
:
:Nels
:
:Nels Roselund
:Structural Engineer
:South San Gabriel, CA
:njineer(--nospam--at)att.net
:
:
:
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