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Like you, I am on the younger side.

To me, the issue of grandfathering is more about "buying" off those who
would not otherwise support the change (and presumably harder
requirements) because they don't want to go through the extra effort or
would not pass the possibly harder (and additional) exams.  But, that is
just my opinion.

In _THEORY_ the idea of grandfathering is that they would in THEORY pass
under the new system (after all, "they have been doing this for XX years,
so they MUST know what they are doing").  But, like you, I think this
theory is largely a load of crap in many cases.

Like you, I wonder why they can't just take the new/additional exams like
newer engineers would have to.  But, then the changes (i.e. seperate SE
licenses) would not happen.

I also realize that the practical side of it is that _IF_ you now require
structural drawings to be sealed by someone with this new SE license in a
state, you actually need to have people with the new SE license.  And the
quick way to get those people in the short term is to grandfather them.
After all, if grandfathered no one, but all structural drawings had to be
sealed by a newly created SE licensed individual, then how would you get
the hundreds or so new building designed and sealed until enough people
passed the exams.  So, there is a practical side (granted there are ways,
such as putting the new license in effect at least in terms of obtaining
it, but not have it become required for sealing drawings for a couple
years after it is created).


Adrian, MI

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Jake Watson wrote:

> As many of you know, I am most certainly not the oldest engineer reading
> this list.  I have a particularly loaded question.  How does grand-fathering
> help anyone (beyond those being grand-fathered)?  I understand that the
> assumption is that anyone grand-fathered supposedly already meets all the
> new requirements.  For example, it is assumed that they would pass any exam
> with flying colors.  It seems to me, that if they so easily meet the new
> standards, why can't they prove it just like all the younger engineers?
> Yes, this is a bit of sour grapes.  However, here is Utah there are many
> "senior" engineers who where grand-fathered and given an S.E. license when
> our law passed several years ago.  I wouldn't trust several of these guys to
> design a tooth-pick.  Now I am required to pass a fairly difficult exam to
> be considered an "equal" to these guys?  How is a new client who has never
> used either of us to know the difference (besides his fee is 1/3 of mine)?
> Jake Watson, P.E.
> Salt Lake City, UT
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Nels Roselund, SE [mailto:njineer(--nospam--at)]
>   Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 7:00 PM
>   To: seaint(--nospam--at)
>   Subject: SECB Certification Program for SE's
>   I've received an announcement that NCSEA has voted to establish an
> independent national SE certification board [SECB] to help establish SE
> licensing in all 50 states; establish uniform standards for examinations,
> licensure and practice throughout the U.S.; and define education and
> training levels for SE Licensure.
>   The letter is from SECB and requests prepayment of certification fees,
> projected to be $350; as initial capitalization for SECB.
>   Is this a broadly supported effort?  Is it likely to be endorsed by State
> Boards of Registration?  Is this an program that all good SE's should
> support, ignore, or wait and see?
>   Nels Roselund
>   Structural Engineer
>   South San Gabriel, CA
>   njineer(--nospam--at)

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