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My sticking point is that some of the S.E.'s here have never passed the CA exam, or any NCEES exam beyond the PPE.  If the new NCEES exams are on par with the CA exam, I can see grandfathering people who have passed CA's exam.  You have proven -beyond your word of "experience"- that you know your stuff, or at least test well :).  You weren't simply given the license because you started working twenty years ago.  Should an engineer who has done homes for twenty years be given an S.E. exam only required to do hospitals?

Maybe this is all about consistency or implementation.  I know some of the engineers here in town which are S.E.'s wouldn't have a chance at passing the NCEES exams.  Or at least only with a very concerted effort.  Is there someway to guarantee that the engineers grandfathered could actually pass the exams without giving it to them?  I know others who have never tried but would have a good shot at it and are S.E.'s.  From a practical standpoint, how do we separate these two groups of people without the test?

Also, what happens when an S.E. who was grandfathered in Utah and never passed an S.E. exam anywhere wants to be grandfathered by NCSEA?  Will they grant him/her certification?

Jake Watson, P.E.
Salt Lake City, UT


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Paul Feather" <pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net>
Reply-To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
Date:  Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:40:36 -0700

>Jake,
>
>I understand what you are saying.  I also have a lot of respect for Neil Moore and the views he has expressed on this list.  But to play devil's advocate for a minute...
>
>What about those of us who have worked for years, earning our EIT, passing the PE, and in the case of California passed what is considered one of the hardest exams in the nation to earn our SE.  Now we are working hard in practice, many of us at higher levels of responsibility where time is the single most valuable commodity we possess.  
>
>Unlike the situation you describe in Utah, where the SE designation was established and existing practicing engineers who have not had to pass the exams are being grandfathered (This is the same story in all of the states at some point in the past).  Those of us who have been there and done that do not look kindly on having to repeat the process because some new group decides to create an additional certification.  If the NCSEA wants to create a new designation, and I am a licensed SE in multiple states, why should I have to "prove it" again with an additional exam.  I prove it every day in the work that I do.
>
>If as Scott indicates the goal is to facilitate national licensing, the least the NCSEA can do is recognize and grandfather those of us who have not only met the exam requirements, but have also dealt with the comity issues that the new process is supposed to facilitate for up and coming engineers.
>
>
>
>Paul Feather PE, SE
>pfeather(--nospam--at)SE-Solutions.net
>www.SE-Solutions.net
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Jake Watson 
>  To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org 
>  Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 7:33 PM
>  Subject: RE: SECB Certification Program for SE's
>
>
>  As many of you know, I am most certainly not the oldest engineer reading this list.  I have a particularly loaded question.  How does grand-fathering help anyone (beyond those being grand-fathered)?  I understand that the assumption is that anyone grand-fathered supposedly already meets all the new requirements.  For example, it is assumed that they would pass any exam with flying colors.  It seems to me, that if they so easily meet the new standards, why can't they prove it just like all the younger engineers?  
>
>  Yes, this is a bit of sour grapes.  However, here is Utah there are many "senior" engineers who where grand-fathered and given an S.E. license when our law passed several years ago.  I wouldn't trust several of these guys to design a tooth-pick.  Now I am required to pass a fairly difficult exam to be considered an "equal" to these guys?  How is a new client who has never used either of us to know the difference (besides his fee is 1/3 of mine)?
>
>  Jake Watson, P.E.
>  Salt Lake City, UT
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: Nels Roselund, SE [mailto:njineer(--nospam--at)att.net]
>    Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 7:00 PM
>    To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
>    Subject: SECB Certification Program for SE's
>
>
>    I've received an announcement that NCSEA has voted to establish an independent national SE certification board [SECB] to help establish SE licensing in all 50 states; establish uniform standards for examinations, licensure and practice throughout the U.S.; and define education and training levels for SE Licensure.
>
>    The letter is from SECB and requests prepayment of certification fees, projected to be $350; as initial capitalization for SECB.
>
>    Is this a broadly supported effort?  Is it likely to be endorsed by State Boards of Registration?  Is this an program that all good SE's should support, ignore, or wait and see?
>
>    Nels Roselund
>    Structural Engineer
>    South San Gabriel, CA
>    njineer(--nospam--at)att.net
>
>
>
 

 
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