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Why not do a relatively cheap double wall:

- CMU wall fixed to the new structure
- Screw layers of exterior grade 5/8? gyp board to the insulation of the
freezer building.  I believe 4 layers will give you a 2-hour separation.
This is assuming that the insulation panels are strong enough to support the
relatively light out-of-plane lateral load from the gyp.

The two structures will not be attached to each other, and will need to be
seismically separated.

Jason Kilgore
Leigh & O'Kane, LLC
Kansas City, Missouri
From: Derek [mailto:derekh(--nospam--at)] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:12 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: RE: Firewall Connection

that is certainly one of my options. I am trying to avoid it if practicable
however. A double wall would then involve fixing one of the walls through
the insulation panel to steel work in the freezer (-25degC / -13degF). This
freezer must remain cold and operational during the project and with pallet
racking next to the wall in question, any fixing detail in that area will be
I think I'm correct in saying that with a single wall I do not need a
connection to the existing building provided that collapse of the new
building won't bring the wall down with it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kestner, James W. [mailto:jkestner(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1215
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: RE: Firewall Connection
I would recommend using a double firewall in this instance.
Jim K.
 -----Original Message-----
From: Derek [mailto:derekh(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:40 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Firewall Connection
Hi Folks,
I had a brief search of the archives for this topic but had no luck in
finding any assistance.
I have a situation where I need to design a firewall (not fire separation)
between an existing freezer building (steel frame clad with insulation
panels) and a new processing facility. the firewall will be constructed in
between the insulation panels of the existing building and the steel framing
of the new building.
The building is in Vancouver BC which most of you know is a high seismic
zone. The dilemma is how to connect the fire wall to the new steel frame
such that collapse of the building doesn't cause collapse of the firewall
and yet still support the wall by the frame and roof diaphragm under seismic
loads. Any magical connection out there that can achieve this? My brief
search of the archives returned some mention of melt-away anchors, however,
the possibility remains that the fire is remote from the wall (say on the
next row of columns parallel to the wall). This could still cause the
building to collapse without the opportunity for these melt-away anchors to
My other question relates to the existing building. For those familiar with
the NBCC or BCBC. Does the existing building need to be tied to the
firewall? My understanding is that the intent of the code is simply to
supply a wall that remains standing in the event that either building
collapses. In essence, for the pure purpose of a firewall, it does not have
to be tied to either building, it can be free standing.
any assistance is greatly appreciated.

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