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To further complicate the issue for you, in many states a "manufacturer"
cannot really employ an engineer that performs "professional services"
(i.e. seal drawings) as a direct employee due to the way licensing laws
are written.  In particular, many states require firms offering
"professional services" to meet certain ownership requirements (i.e. must
be owned by a certain percentage of licensed engineers).  To my
understanding, the intent is to ensure that licensed engineerings taking
responsibility for the design (i.e. sealing drawings) cannot be unduely
influenced by non-engineers (licensed) that might own or run tha company
to make decisions based upon financial reasons rather than "public health
and welfare" or face the possbilility of losing their job with the
company.  I know this because I have encountered this as an employee of a
structural insulsated panel manufacturer and timber framer.  When they
hired me, part of the position was to do engineering for shop drawings and
seal them when required.  But, I cannot do this as a direct employee in
many states because the company cannot meet the licensing law requirements
on ownership of the company by licensed professionals (PEs or architects,

HTH (with a grin),

Adrian, MI

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Jim Wilson wrote:

> Bill,
> As a sole practitioner starting my own engineering gig, I feel your frustration!  To think, isn't it bad enough to worry about bringing in the right work in sufficient volume to keep food on the plate; now we have to worry about which state we can and can't work in because of legal technicalities?
> Regarding Joe Grill's email:
> What about the entire industry of specialty contractors who manufacturer products that are shipped around the country (and perhaps into Arizona.)  A lot of these guys have a draftsmen or two on staff who have been detailing their work for years and know it inside and out. They take the printed drawings to a local (or locally licensed) engineer who is familiar with their product and will engineer and stamp their drawings.  Will all of these contractors be forced to hire their own engineer or be forced to close up shop because it is now illegal to hire an outside engineer?  If an engineer can't hire a contract engineer, then a contractor shouldn't be able to either.
> In this area, contractors are still grumbling because the IBC was just enacted a couple of months ago and now they have to hire an outside engineer to review their work.  If PA had a similar law to Arizona (I don't know off hand if it does or not,) then it sounds like it would be illegal to hire an outside engineer because the licensing board wouldn't permit it?  That just doesn't make sense, does it?
> Maybe NCEES could keep a database of which states have which laws to save us the trouble of pursuing licenses we perhaps can't use...
> Somewhat tongue-in-cheek...
> Jim Wilson
> Stroudsburg, PA
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