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If you actually read my message, I clearly did not call you a racist or
bigotted.  What I said was that some people (not me) might jump to that
conclusion/assumption (most likely I said in my previous
message to you off list, I don't know you so I cannot really make that
assesment nor most that might/would...but some will) based upon your
comment(s) or  might even toss that claim around for a variety of other
reasons (i.e. political motivation).

FWIW, if you think that I calling you a racist, then I am also calling
myself one as well since I clearly admitted that I habored the same
thought as you (being that I am extrememly cynical) at least until my
judgement kicked in to remind me that I really don't know anything about
this particular situation other than the Eagle football player owns part
of the company and is an engineering graduate.

And again FWIW, I also don't like the concept of someone getting
preferential treatment due to something other than being the best
qualified person for the job.  I too have seen companies get jobs because
of such things without even determining if they were really the best for
the job or not (or even "qualified" for the job let alone the best).  But,
while I don't like the system, I don't think observing that this person
"may" be taking advantage of such a situation without knowing if it is
true or not is appropriate.


Adrian, MI

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Stuart, Matthew wrote:

> PS - as you indicated you really don't know me so shame on you for calling me a racist. Maybe you should have also "checked" yourself before you sent me your email.
> ________________________________
> From: Scott Maxwell [mailto:smaxwell(--nospam--at)]
> Sent: Tue 9/14/2004 5:00 PM
> To: Stuart, Matthew
> Subject: RE: Eagle Engineer
> I apologize if I get a little annoying in this response...
> I am wondering how your 30 years of experience relates to a particular
> situation that you likely know very little about.  I think that Andrew's
> (as he kind further articulated in another post) was your "jump to a
> conclusion" based upon the appearance that this situation met the same
> criteria as those in your 30 years of experience even though you had no
> real "evidence" to back up that assumption.  As a "counter-example", I am
> sure that you would be little insulted by someone who in their 30 years of
> experience had learned that people who made such comments as you did were
> bigotted or racist (NOTE: I _DO NOT_ think such a thing of you since I
> don't really know you, but know that there are people that would make that
> assumption).
> To be honest, the same thought crossed my mind as what you articulated (I
> don't have 30 years of experience but I have experienced it), but I did
> not articulate it largley because I checked that thought quickly as I
> realized that I know nothing about this particular situation.  Does "it
> look like a duck and quack like a duck" (i.e. look and sound suspicious)?
> You bet.  But, contrary to the saying, it is NOT necessarily a "duck".
> Now, in being honest that the same thought crossed my mind, I must also be
> honest that _IF_ I had articulated that thought aloud to the list, then I
> would have also expected a response back like Andrew's.
> Regards,
> Scott
> Adrian, MI
> On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Stuart, Matthew wrote:
> > However insulting you may find my comment to be it is based on my own personal observations over the past 30 years or so during my private practice all over the U.S.
> >
> > Matthew Stuart
> > Structural Dept. - Manalapan
> > 732-577-9889 x1283
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew Kester [mailto:akester(--nospam--at)]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:14 PM
> > To: seaint(--nospam--at)
> > Subject: Eagle Engineer
> >
> > I did not see on his website where he claimed to be a PE, but I do like Cliff's theory. Perhaps between memorizing hundreds of plays and watching hours of tape in between practices, he is running some RAM models on his lap top.
> > "Maybe the guy is actually participating in some project work, I don't = know. But more than likely he is just a majority owner, which allows = his firm to satisfy any DBE or MBE requirements for projects that in = turn puts the other guy in the picture to work."
> > However, this comment I find to be a bit presumptuous and insulting, as if to say this guy is only listed as an owner for a minority handout. If it was a white guy doing the same thing everyone would comment on his entrepeneurialship. A better point may be that he uses his fame, status, and million dollar paychecks to invest and promote a healthy business. Seems pretty smart to me whether he is there every day or not, he is carving out a nice career for himself when his body gives out and he has 30 more years to fill up with something besides golf and frozen drinks next to the pool.....
> > Andrew Kester, PE
> > Longwood, FL
> >

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