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Attention  SEAINT:

I lifted this message  from    the SEAINT  list  server.............

Here's something NCSEA  should be addressing........................
(I noted they weren't listed)

Jason W. Kilgore, PE, SE,  Project Engineer  in his post is right when he states,
NOW is the chance to do something."

Now would be a perfect time for NCSEA  to address  issues  relative to Hurricane (WIND)  engineering.   But will they ??

I suspect NCSEA  will remain  silent!

Just  yesterday I was in the executive offices of NCSEA  (Chicago).   I inquired if NCSEA had issued any Press Releases in conjunction with their upcoming conference:

Designing for the Coastal Environment!!   

September  23-25,  2004 .

For information on the conference  contact  Donna Childs  - 312-372-4198  or Jan Diepstra   312-372-6609

Information on the conference can be found be checking the following  website

You would think some of the topics to be discussed at the conference might be of interest to the media?

In light of the destruction  from Hurricane Ivan  (also  Frances,  Charley)  this topic sure will be of interest to the conference attendees  (but also the press??).


I learned that no such Press Release inviting the media  was issued  as of Friday,  Sept. 17th.

Bob Johnson, SE, PE
"Silence will Not Protect Engineers"
Regular contributor

and be sure and check.................


In a message dated 9/18/2004 2:11:39 AM Central Daylight Time, admin(--nospam--at) writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason W. Kilgore [mailto:jkilgore(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:20 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: [Possible-Spam] Bonnie, Charlie, Frances, and Ivan

(Warning - this got really long, but I think it's important)

There has been major devastation across Florida and the Gulf Coast, and
I'm sure all of the engineers on this list are hoping for a speedy
recovery, be it in the form of praying, meditating, humming, or just
plain wishing for luck.

Trying to see the silver lining amid all this devastation, I see this as
a chance for the advancement of Structural Engineering.  How many of you
on the Gulf coast have had clients bash you for "over-engineering" (I
believe an earlier client quote was, "but it doesn't get that windy
here!")?  How many of you had clients leave and go to other designers
for the same reason? What about residences that were never looked at by
an SE?

Typically, if engineers try to increase public safety during a "calm"
period they are thwarted by developers and construction companies, their
lobbyists, and their large political donations.  All the engineer can
say is that there MIGHT be a major event sometime in the future, maybe
in 100 years.  When the developer responds with, "This new regulation
will increase the cost of new houses by xx%.  People won't be able to
afford houses.  I won't build in this area anymore", the developer wins.

After a major catastrophe, for a very short period of time, the engineer
has physical evidence.  For a very short period of time, the
powers-that-be can SEE the physical and fiscal impact of a hurricane,
and can see that it greatly outweighs any financial cost to developers
and contractors.  For a very short period of time, the time-honored
argument of "But I've been building this way for xx years with no
problems" WILL NOT WORK.

After this short period, the power will be back on, the debris will be
picked up, houses re-built, and the memory of the catastrophe will fade.
It will be replaced by the day-to-day realities of buying food and
saving for that dream home, which of course should be built as fast and
cheap as possible.

NOW is the chance to do something.

Go around and take pictures of failures.  Try to determine if they were
the result of a poor design or poor construction.  If an entire
subdivision was destroyed, try to determine if all the houses were built
by the same contractor.  Talk to homeowners.

With this evidence, write letters to newspapers (both to reporters and
as "opinion" pieces).  Mention specific houses, with quotes from the now
homeless owner, and say something like "if $x,xxx extra had been spent
on anchors, shear walls, and better inspection, this particular
residence would have survived and this poor person would currently have
a roof".  Try to get the general public interested.

Write letters to insurance companies, but instead of emphasizing the
inconvenience to the homeowner, emphasize the dollar cost.  Try to get
the insurance lobbyists interested.

Write letters to government officials urging adoption of mandatory
inspections SEPARATE FROM THE DESIGN CONTRACT.  Emphasize the loss of
life, loss of taxes, costs of repairs, and costs of emergency services.

Officers of SEAOA, SEAOG, ASCE local branches (city and state) should
write letters to all of the above voicing the "official" position of
their organizations.

Good luck.

Jason W. Kilgore, PE, SE
Project Engineer
Leigh &O'Kane, LLC
Kansas City, Missouri
(Mississippi Native)