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Rich:

Website: www.kalmanfloor.com
Phone: (800) 525-7840

HTH,

Scott
Adrian, MI


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, richard lewis wrote:

> Harold,
>
> Thanks for the information.  Do you have a contact name and number for
> me?  I did a google on Kalman Company but did not come up with a concrete
> contractor on the first few pages.
>
> Rich
>
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:57:20 +0000 "Harold Sprague"
> <spraguehope(--nospam--at)hotmail.com> writes:
> > Richard,
> >
> > Bill pointed out the web site that was developed by the Face Company
> > for
> > measuring floors and getting them to comply with the F numbers that
> > were
> > developed by the Face Company using measuring machines developed by
> > the Face
> > Company, for money that your client must send to the Face Company.
> > I don't
> > have too much heart burn with the Face Company for their efforts.
> > But they
> > are a bit self serving.
> >
> > But I do have a concern as to the inappropriate application and
> > expense.
> > One of the largest slab on grade contractors is the Kalman Company.
> > They
> > can do super flat floors, but you have to ask if it is necessary.
> > For
> > automated rack storage systems you may be able to make that
> > argument.  But
> > for conventional warehouses, I think that the old ACI 117 and a
> > prequalified
> > contractor are adequate for flatness tolerances.
> >
> > I think that the owners money is better spent on eliminating control
> > joints,
> > proper armoring of expansion joints, and proper detailing to avoid
> > vertical
> > differential movement of joints in fork truck traffic lanes.  Damage
> > to fork
> > trucks due to deterioration of control joints and maintenance of
> > unnecessary
> > control joints are where your real costs happen.
> >
> > Call Kalman.  They will install a slab that will get the performance
> > that
> > you need without arbitrarily specifying an F number and incurring
> > expenses
> > that you don't need.  Don't limit yourself to Kalman.  Call other
> > GOOD
> > concrete floor contractors, and get their opinions.  Craft a
> > specification
> > that gets you the performance that your client needs.  I just happen
> > to have
> > the most personal experience and confidence in the work that Kalman
> > does.  I
> > also like the way they eliminate most joints in a slab on grade.
> > They also
> > have a top quality control system.
> >
> > As Face points out, what do you do if the slab does not comply?
> > That is
> >  it gets ugly, the Owner will not be happy, and lawyers spring up
> > from
> > the underground abyss in which they reside to bring devastation to
> > those who
> > live in the light;>)  Be well and stay away from the dark side.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Harold Sprague
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: richard lewis <rlewistx(--nospam--at)juno.com>
> > >Reply-To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
> > >To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > >Subject: Flat Floor
> > >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:03:54 -0500
> > >
> > >I have a client who has asked for an F100 floor for a warehouse I
> > am
> > >designing.  I'm not sure what he is asking for and want to ask
> > some
> > >questions.
> > >
> > >Now I do know about the flatness number system, the overall values
> > and
> > >the minimum local values for Ff and Fl.  I assume he will want an
> > overall
> > >value of F100.  The question I have is the standard for classifying
> > the
> > >floor.  I have a few articles form magazines I have clipped out
> > over the
> > >years and I see different values for classification.  I have one
> > article
> > >that calls an Superflat floor of F values of 50 and another article
> > that
> > >calls a Superflat floor of F values of 100.  Are there standards
> > defined
> > >in the ASTM E1157 that define Flat, Superflat, etc?
> > >
> > >The overall flatness number is typically 50% higher than the local
> > >numbers.  With a F value of 100 for overall system the local
> > numbers
> > >would be 67.  Is this what is typically specified for Superflat
> > floors?
> > >
> > >The next question has to do with the practicality of the floor.  It
> > is a
> > >warehouse with pallet racks.  The racks are about 20 feet tall.
> > Forklift
> > >traffic is the reason for the flatness.  I know the Owner is the
> > one who
> > >needs to determine their personal needs, but would an F50 floor
> > work just
> > >as well for this type of use.  Has anyone else had experience with
> > lower
> > >flatness numbers working well with fork trucks and racks?
> > >
> > >Appreciate any insight you may be able to give.
> > >
> > >Rich
> >
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