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This is their web link http://www.kalmanfloor.com/
Ask for Carl Yitterberg.

Regards,
Harold Sprague





From: richard lewis <rlewistx(--nospam--at)juno.com>
Reply-To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Subject: Re: Flat Floor
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:15:03 -0500

Harold,

Thanks for the information.  Do you have a contact name and number for
me?  I did a google on Kalman Company but did not come up with a concrete
contractor on the first few pages.

Rich

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:57:20 +0000 "Harold Sprague"
<spraguehope(--nospam--at)hotmail.com> writes:
> Richard,
>
> Bill pointed out the web site that was developed by the Face Company
> for
> measuring floors and getting them to comply with the F numbers that
> were
> developed by the Face Company using measuring machines developed by
> the Face
> Company, for money that your client must send to the Face Company.
> I don't
> have too much heart burn with the Face Company for their efforts.
> But they
> are a bit self serving.
>
> But I do have a concern as to the inappropriate application and
> expense.
> One of the largest slab on grade contractors is the Kalman Company.
> They
> can do super flat floors, but you have to ask if it is necessary.
> For
> automated rack storage systems you may be able to make that
> argument.  But
> for conventional warehouses, I think that the old ACI 117 and a
> prequalified
> contractor are adequate for flatness tolerances.
>
> I think that the owners money is better spent on eliminating control
> joints,
> proper armoring of expansion joints, and proper detailing to avoid
> vertical
> differential movement of joints in fork truck traffic lanes.  Damage
> to fork
> trucks due to deterioration of control joints and maintenance of
> unnecessary
> control joints are where your real costs happen.
>
> Call Kalman.  They will install a slab that will get the performance
> that
> you need without arbitrarily specifying an F number and incurring
> expenses
> that you don't need.  Don't limit yourself to Kalman.  Call other
> GOOD
> concrete floor contractors, and get their opinions.  Craft a
> specification
> that gets you the performance that your client needs.  I just happen
> to have
> the most personal experience and confidence in the work that Kalman
> does.  I
> also like the way they eliminate most joints in a slab on grade.
> They also
> have a top quality control system.
>
> As Face points out, what do you do if the slab does not comply?
> That is
>  it gets ugly, the Owner will not be happy, and lawyers spring up
> from
> the underground abyss in which they reside to bring devastation to
> those who
> live in the light;>)  Be well and stay away from the dark side.
>
> Regards,
> Harold Sprague
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: richard lewis <rlewistx(--nospam--at)juno.com>
> >Reply-To: <seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org>
> >To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> >Subject: Flat Floor
> >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:03:54 -0500
> >
> >I have a client who has asked for an F100 floor for a warehouse I
> am
> >designing.  I'm not sure what he is asking for and want to ask
> some
> >questions.
> >
> >Now I do know about the flatness number system, the overall values
> and
> >the minimum local values for Ff and Fl.  I assume he will want an
> overall
> >value of F100.  The question I have is the standard for classifying
> the
> >floor.  I have a few articles form magazines I have clipped out
> over the
> >years and I see different values for classification.  I have one
> article
> >that calls an Superflat floor of F values of 50 and another article
> that
> >calls a Superflat floor of F values of 100.  Are there standards
> defined
> >in the ASTM E1157 that define Flat, Superflat, etc?
> >
> >The overall flatness number is typically 50% higher than the local
> >numbers.  With a F value of 100 for overall system the local
> numbers
> >would be 67.  Is this what is typically specified for Superflat
> floors?
> >
> >The next question has to do with the practicality of the floor.  It
> is a
> >warehouse with pallet racks.  The racks are about 20 feet tall.
> Forklift
> >traffic is the reason for the flatness.  I know the Owner is the
> one who
> >needs to determine their personal needs, but would an F50 floor
> work just
> >as well for this type of use.  Has anyone else had experience with
> lower
> >flatness numbers working well with fork trucks and racks?
> >
> >Appreciate any insight you may be able to give.
> >
> >Rich
>
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