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RE: Pouring Concrete==>>please STOP demeaning ACI!!

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Or park my car on the cement driveway.  <grin>

Regards,

Scott
Adrian, MI


On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Eli Grassley wrote:

> At least you didn't say "they will be pouring cement today."
>
> That probably would have sent you packing!
>
> ~~ Eli Grassley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Maxwell [mailto:smaxwell(--nospam--at)engin.umich.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:14 AM
> To: 'seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org'
> Subject: RE: Pouring Concrete==>>please STOP demeaning ACI!!
>
> Charlie:
>
> Robert is likely correct.  I don't know the answer, but that would have
> been my guess.
>
> I do know that my first boss out of school "harped" the issue of pouring
> vs. placing concrete.  I still remember making the "mistake" of saying
> something like "they will be pouring concrete today."  His response was:
> "You PLACE concrete...you POUR beer."  (He really liked his beer, thus
> the beer reference)
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
> Adrian, MI
>
>
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Garner, Robert /SD wrote:
>
> >
> > Bryant Mather (?)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carter, Charlie [mailto:carter(--nospam--at)aisc.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:30 AM
> > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> > Subject: RE: Pouring Concrete==>>please STOP demeaning ACI!!
> >
> >
> > > ...  It is refreshing to hear someone criticize
> > >these codes and standards.  They are written by
> > >volunteers and committees and, despite the best of
> > >intentions, a lot of errors and omissions occur.
> > >If ACI is her favorite target, then we need someone
> > >to pick on some of the other code organizations.
> > >I believe ACI is big enough to withstand some
> > >criticism graciously.
> >
> > I personally welcome constructive suggestions and positive
> > contributions. I presume in saying this that such items are offered in
> > good faith with an intent that is as genuine as the efforts of those who
> > helped to create the things that the commenter is criticizing.
> > Furthermore, I find that the most successful commenters are those who
> > maintain humility in offering their opinions (which may or may not be
> > correct). The least successful are those who offer their opinions as
> > self-evident truths.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > P.S. I seem to remember that pouring vs. placing is a part of the life's
> > work of one of the big names in concrete design and construction. It's
> > kind of like Omer Blodgett's long-fought battle to convince people to
> > stop using the term rathole. He prefers weld access hole, primarily
> > because the term rathole seems like such a negative connotation. Maybe
> > Scott Maxwell knows the person I'm thinking of by name, but I can't
> > remember.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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